"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Videra]

Square Enix makes something pointless and people try to defend it for some reason, news at eleven. See ya'll when this 'feature' is just like BLU.

[Tsalmaveth]

Square Enix makes something pointless and people try to defend it for some reason, news at eleven. See ya'll when this 'feature' is just like BLU.

If you don't care about the story, that's bully for you? It's for the people who do. And they don't need exp/carrots/rewards/achievements to do it? They literally wanted a way to go back and enjoy the story and have been asking for ways to do it that don't include having to re-roll alts over and over to do so.

It. Isn't. A. Useless. Pointless. Feature. To. The. People. Who. Have. Been. Asking. For. It. For. Years.

[Melichoir]

True. It's actually less rewarding than starting a new character, that way you'd see the story again AND get all of the rewards which you could transfer back to your main character (gil, most equipment, other assorted stuff). If NG+ is truly zero reward, not even a title, then it sounds super niche like only for role playing that your original character is reliving the story.

Hmm less rewarding? How so? You think that people play MSQ just for the quest rewards? I mean I played it cause it was fun and story driven. Rewards were secondary.

Starting a new character is something you can do, but that comes with caveats. Any player bound items you wont have access too, so count out any events that youve worked on. Youll ahve to do quite a lot of things that maybe you didnt like to do (starting a new toon with 0 access to aetherytes is annoying). Kiss mounts, glamour, gear goodbye too. Gotta refarm those. Retainers and Titles too. But you get to level your character again! And get that gil and outdated materia and gear....yay? It's not like you got a millions upon millions of gil from MSQ. You get a few hundred K at most for ARR+HW MSQ directly; maybe a million at most. You can spend an afternoon farming some Primals and earn that faster. Count out your Friends list and FC and Linkshells too. Those are toon specific.

What if you want to play the DRK questline? Well, gotta do all of ARR and unlock DRK, then relevel it. Or replay the Alexander Questline?

Yeah, starting a new character isnt quite the fix that you might think it is. You literally start from scratch. If thats your thing, more power to you. But for some of us, we want to replay the story. Thats what were on board for.

Square Enix makes something pointless and people try to defend it for some reason, news at eleven. See ya'll when this 'feature' is just like BLU.

Thank you for the insightful commentary! You heard it here folks. SE made something someone doesnt like, so its pointless, and anyone who likes the feature is just 'defending it for some reason'. Tell ya what, I had fun with BLU, even if its not a full class. Much like I enjoy things like GS, or Savage and Expert, or Hildebrand. All these things are 'pointless' according to someone or another, but theyre still content and features some people like. It's like snobbery at its finest - "if I cant find enjoyment in it, it just must be impossible for anyone else too."

Derp, there goes the snark again.

[DynnDiablos]

Square Enix makes something pointless and people try to defend it for some reason, news at eleven. See ya'll when this 'feature' is just like BLU.

It isn't hurting anyone dude. It may be pointless to you, but plenty of people will replay the story. No one using it or tons using it, it doesn't detract from the main game whatsoever.

[Moonlite]

It isn't hurting anyone dude. It may be pointless to you, but plenty of people will replay the story. No one using it or tons using it, it doesn't detract from the main game whatsoever.

It actually might be hurting other players. Dev team always says if we do X we can't do Y. So if NG+ is X what content did they drop or postpone to do it? Maybe they changed how we get quests from 70 to 80 so they could work more on this. Purely random example of something that had been streamlined off the top of my head.



I also find it kind of amusing reading comments from people confused about this. They clearly don't know how "Passionate" this player base is about MSQ.

[Melichoir]

It actually might be hurting other players. Dev team always says if we do X we can't do Y. So if NG+ is X what content did they drop or postpone to do it?.

This is the resources argument though. Yes, in pragmatism it would detract resources from something else, but no one can say that "X would be better if not for Y". Nor is there proof that they would work on X if not for Y, instead then focusing on Z. It also then gets majorly subjective. Devs spend a lot of time on savage and Ultimate, yet a small portion of players use both. The resource argument applies here. It also applies to GS, or Fates, Or EX or whatever. New glamours? Thats eating resources from some other project.

The resource point is always a mess and subjective to the point where it is almost meaningless. The true point is the devs trying to balance between what they know is gonna be more niche vs what has wide appeal. They gotta do both for the game to remain healthy. they keep putting off niche projects in favor of 'widespread appeal', theyll end up stepping on everyone's toes eventually and making things to easy/generic.

IMO, NG+ was inevitable. The game is to expansive for it not to exist. Part of the fun of a deep story is to be able to replay certain parts. The 'Unending Journey' table was only a stop gap at best. And mind you, people arent actually complaining NG+ exists. The core complaint is that it doesnt exist in a capacity they want (Namely exp). Soon as it doesnt have exp, its a 'worthless feature'. Which tells me the issue isnt with NG+, its that people want another leveling method.

[Moonlite]

This is the resources argument though. Yes, in pragmatism it would detract resources from something else, but no one can say that "X would be better if not for Y". Nor is there proof that they would work on X if not for Y, instead then focusing on Z. It also then gets majorly subjective. Devs spend a lot of time on savage and Ultimate, yet a small portion of players use both. The resource argument applies here. It also applies to GS, or Fates, Or EX or whatever. New glamours? Thats eating resources from some other project.

The resource point is always a mess and subjective to the point where it is almost meaningless. The true point is the devs trying to balance between what they know is gonna be more niche vs what has wide appeal. They gotta do both for the game to remain healthy. they keep putting off niche projects in favor of 'widespread appeal', theyll end up stepping on everyone's toes eventually and making things to easy/generic.

IMO, NG+ was inevitable. The game is to expansive for it not to exist. Part of the fun of a deep story is to be able to replay certain parts. The 'Unending Journey' table was only a stop gap at best. And mind you, people arent actually complaining NG+ exists. The core complaint is that it doesnt exist in a capacity they want (Namely exp). Soon as it doesnt have exp, its a 'worthless feature'. Which tells me the issue isnt with NG+, its that people want another leveling method.

Yes, but the person I quoted implied that this content has no impact on any other player. The devs are always first to use resource defense, so you can't just wave it off. I do agree we will never truly know the cause of picking this over something else we may never see. People are saying this was asked for lots. While some people will still want it. You think some of the clamor would have disappeared if they were told it is just rerunning NPCs talking and killing a few guys so they could feel the immersion again.


I am not really looking forward to the posts. Oh people you should do chapter 2.44, because some npc mentions what is happening in 5.1.


Not really looked through LL. Is this before or after they fix the bloat in the MSQ or simultaneous. Which would explain a lot. It allows them to archive quests that they remove and allow new players to move through MSQ faster, but also keep lore off to the side for people who want to see it.

[Niwashi]

Is this before or after they fix the bloat in the MSQ or simultaneous.

The first part to come out will only have the expansions' MSQ (because it will be before the ARR rewrite). They'll add the ARR portion of the MSQ to this New Game + feature when they rewrite it, so we'll get to replay the new version, but not the original one.

[Iscah]

There's been no confirmation of any other side content, but there's been player requests for some of the ongoing side stories (like Manderville), so that may or may not be a possibility at some point down the road, though one-off sidequests almost certainly won't.

The slide from the live letter said that job quests, Chronicles of a New Era (eg. trials/raids) and side stories (I think that includes Hildibrand) would be added at a later date.

I would say though... My alts get EXP and gold and stuff. If people were gonna abuse the system then the system is already there ripe for abuse, you can already use story exp to level every job to 80 via alts and have a shit ton of high quality crap you can trade back to your main.

I have alts, but they need that equipment and gil a lot more than my main does. They're permanently underfunded because they've leveled less classes (thus less roulette rewards), have few/no crafters, and I still want to buy them glamours.

On a different alt-related note, the announcement of NG+ means I can stop holding back on leveling them because I don't want to 'spend' their one chance to go through the story now, only to find the next patch released really makes me want to revisit something I've already cleared and can't go back to.