"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Nemmar]

Gotta love it when people act like something is worthless because it doesn't appeal to them personally. Well, I will never play Hrothgar so adding them must have been a waste of resources, I guess. I don't like crafting so all the new crafter content is worthless? Savage, Ultimate raids?
NG+ isn't for everyone. It's for those who want to replay the story - cutscenes, out-of-cutscene dialogue, fights and everything else - in its entirety and not because there's a carrot on a stick. And that's fine. I'll be using NG+ to play the story again many times over as different classes and maybe even races and genders over time (without having to level an alt, hallelujah) so this is a worthwhile addition to me.

There are many other things you can do in this game to feel "rewarded" and to level alt jobs.

This is off topic and will probably be spun on me again for daring to try and explain. But, yes, those things are indeed worthless to you. When developing a game though, you have to make decisions on what to add and how large the amount of players that would play such a feature and what effect it would have in the games lifespan is, cause you have limited resources. So, your resources should go to the features that most players will make use of or that will benefit the tail end life of the game. I think that in the terms on new game +, it might have been less clear what people really wanted from it. Many have different ideas of what the feature should be and it has not come to the expectation of all. It does NOT mean they don't care about story. It means they care about more than just the story.

So, please let's try to move from that misrepresentation. You can like more than one thing. New game + doesn't have to be only the bare minimum for only those that want to replay the story with nothing else. If something simple like giving xp is gonna interest more players into using the feature, why should one tell them off? How is the feature gonna lose anything from it? Same goes for achievements or difficulty levels or challenges, etc. Let's try to think less in tribalist terms and more in how we can include as many people as possible.
Also because there are other things, doesn't mean there can't be more.

[MikuMitsuko]

This is off topic and will probably be spun on me again for daring to try and explain. But, yes, those things are indeed worthless to you. When developing a game though, you have to make decisions on what to add and how large the amount of players that would play such a feature and what effect it would have in the games lifespan is, cause you have limited resources. So, your resources should go to the features that most players will make use of or that will benefit the tail end life of the game. I think that in the terms on new game +, it might have been less clear what people really wanted from it. Many have different ideas of what the feature should be and it has not come to the expectation of all. It does NOT mean they don't care about story. It means they care about more than just the story.
So, please let's try to move from that misrepresentation. You can like more than one thing. New game + doesn't have to be only the bare minimum. If something simple like giving xp is gonna interest more players into using the feature, why should one tell them off. How is the feature gonna lose anything from it? Let's try to think less in tribalist terms and more in how we can include as many people as possible.

Worthless to *me*, maybe, but not to *everyone*.

Content doesn't have to always include many people as possible. The things I mentioned don't. How many actually play Hroths or do Ultimate? Very few, especially in regards to Ultimate. NG+ just isn't for the majority of people. Adding EXP is pretty much pointless anyway - if it gives too much, it could nullify the point of things like PotD or HoH for many people. If it gives too little, then why even HAVE exp rewards in the first place? If you really want to do the story again then pitiful little exp rewards shouldn't be the deciding factor in whether or not you're truly interested. ^^

You want to level an alt job, do PotD, HoH, dungeons, FATEs, or any of the other myriad ways to level. I really, really don't think we need another way to spam exp. SE doesn't seem to think so, either.

[Nemmar]

Worthless to *me*, maybe, but not to *everyone*.

Content doesn't have to always include many people as possible. The things I mentioned don't. How many actually play Hroths or do Ultimate? Very few, especially in regards to Ultimate. NG+ just isn't for the majority of people. Adding EXP is pretty much pointless anyway - if it gives too much, it could nullify the point of things like PotD or HoH for many people. If it gives too little, then why even HAVE exp rewards in the first place? If you really want to do the story again then pitiful little exp rewards shouldn't be the deciding factor in whether or not you're truly interested. ^^

You want to level an alt job, do PotD, HoH, dungeons, FATEs, or any of the other myriad ways to level. I really, really don't think we need another way to spam exp. SE doesn't seem to think so, either.

I disagree with that. Why would you not want as many players as possible to enjoy the content? There is a large % of players who play Hroths (not as large as other races, but still considerable in the grand scheme). Challenges in-game extend it's life time, wich is why those are in. They are less about player participation but more about having long term player goals.

Why do you feel it would be pointless to give XP? If you feel it gives too much, maybe it can be adjusted? I do not believe that anything will beat PotD or HoH for xp/minute. The MSQ has a lot of traveling involved. If it gives too little you feel it's pointless? Why? See, i think you feel people either play it for the story or for the xp. Can they not do it for both? It doesn't need to be the best XP/minute. Cause people are doing it for more than just the XP, i would hope.

[MikuMitsuko]

I disagree with that. Why would you not want as many players as possible to enjoy the content? There is a large % of players who play Hroths (not as large as other races, but still considerable in the grand scheme). Challenges in-game extend it's life time, wich is why those are in. They are less about player participation but more about having long term player goals.

Why do you feel it would be pointless to give XP? If you feel it gives too much, maybe it can be adjusted? I do not believe that anything will beat PotD or HoH for xp/minute. The MSQ has a lot of traveling involved. If it gives too little you feel it's pointless? Why? See, i think you feel people either play it for the story or for the xp. Can they not do it for both? It doesn't need to be the best XP/minute. Cause people are doing it for more than just the XP, i would hope.

I've already said why playing it for the exp would be pointless. PotD, HoH, dungeons. Play those for exp. They already exist. Leveling is so hilariously easy.

You'll be doing this on a max leveled character anyway. Does your level 80 need exp?
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And as for those asking for rewards for completing NG+ in it's entirety, why? You're literally just doing pre-existing content. It's even level-synced so no, it won't be a challenge. I don't see why every little thing has to have a reward attached to it nowadays....

[Nemmar]

I've already said why playing it for the exp would be pointless. PotD, HoH, dungeons. Play those for exp. They already exist. Leveling is so hilariously easy.

You'll be doing this on a max leveled character anyway. Does your level 80 need exp?
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And as for those asking for rewards for completing NG+ in it's entirety, why? You're literally just doing pre-existing content. It's even level-synced so no, it won't be a challenge. I don't see why every little thing has to have a reward attached to it nowadays....

If it's restricted to level 80, clearly not. xD

I do think you have an 8-80 opinion that something is either for spamming or not, while there not being room for anything in-between. It's not something i agree with, but fair enough.

[MikuMitsuko]

If it's restricted to level 80, clearly not. xD

I do think you have an 8-80 opinion that something is either for spamming or not, while there not being room for anything in-between. It's not something i agree with, but fair enough.

Because people will use it for spamming. It's that simple. Bots, anyone?

[Nemmar]

Because people will use it for spamming. It's that simple. Bots, anyone?

Do you see flocks of bots in WoW or any other major mmo? Do they not have quest rewards? Bots are an issue that squeenix has to solve on their back end. It's not something to be solved through game design.

As you have said, if it's not the best Xp/minute people won't spam it. They will do it for the story and a bit of XP or gil or whatever they would add. They could spam it, but as long as it's not a very profitable option, it's unlikely they would.

[DynnDiablos]

This is off topic and will probably be spun on me again for daring to try and explain. But, yes, those things are indeed worthless to you. When developing a game though, you have to make decisions on what to add and how large the amount of players that would play such a feature and what effect it would have in the games lifespan is, cause you have limited resources. So, your resources should go to the features that most players will make use of or that will benefit the tail end life of the game. I think that in the terms on new game +, it might have been less clear what people really wanted from it. Many have different ideas of what the feature should be and it has not come to the expectation of all. It does NOT mean they don't care about story. It means they care about more than just the story.

So, please let's try to move from that misrepresentation. You can like more than one thing. New game + doesn't have to be only the bare minimum for only those that want to replay the story with nothing else. If something simple like giving xp is gonna interest more players into using the feature, why should one tell them off? How is the feature gonna lose anything from it? Same goes for achievements or difficulty levels or challenges, etc. Let's try to think less in tribalist terms and more in how we can include as many people as possible.
Also because there are other things, doesn't mean there can't be more.

Just agree to disagree. We move on. That's the end.

[Driavna]

Why are you such an angry person? You come in here saying we're all rude, when you continue to be unpleasant in all of your posts, thinking this game should cater strictly to your desires and what you deem worthy or not to be in the game.

Not that different from some of your responses to be honest.