"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Iscah]

No, you're misinterpreting what I said. If you have a job who hasn't done the MSQs, you get exp. Obviously, that means that you get exp from each MSQ one time. One. That's once. Not Twice. Once. Per job.

No exploit. There is no exploit that way.

Get it?

Except that involves a separate system to track which job "has done the MSQ" - in a game where you can switch jobs freely and might have equipped five within the course of a single quest.

[KadaRemnant]

I'm sure you know I was being facetious. 3-4 people meaning not enough people to even warrant the feature if it doesn't at least still give XP. Because again, not many people are going to replay the story just to replay it.

I will. Because i fell in love with ffxiv for its beautiful and amazing story. You don't speak for everyone.
Also the forums represent a very low % of ffxiv community. I know more than 4 people who love the story. Lol
And ffxiv is a story-driven mmo, it is the core.

[ForteNightshade]

No, you're misinterpreting what I said. If you have a job who hasn't done the MSQs, you get exp. Obviously, that means that you get exp from each MSQ one time. One. That's once. Not Twice. Once. Per job.

No exploit. There is no exploit that way.

Get it?

Yes. And if you read my response, you'd see why that may be an issue. Allowing it per job still makes NG+ the most efficient level grind by a mile because you can skip every cut scene and likely will still have access to flying and teleports. Which means less people queuing for other content.

Iscah covered why this isn't feasible from a technical point of view. What it all boils down to is the feature was never intended for leveling but for those who simply want to experience the story again without having to grind out an alt or buy a skip potion, especially if they only want to redo Shadowbringers. If this doesn't appeal to you. Cool. Pretend it doesn't exist. We have more than enough leveling options, and will be getting yet another when Deep Dungeon 3.0 drops.

[Nemmar]

Seriously... People can't show respect for everyone's tastes. It is so disrespecful. There are many ways people play this game and the story is one of them.
Live with it. Not everyone is the same and play differently and everyone intitled to have something for them.
It is not a waste of ressources, it will make many happy, including me.

You do not understand. This is not about the people who will use the feature as is. Yes, there are some people, like you who are perfectly happy with this feature as is. For you, that is enough.

But, for others it is not what they had imagined. You just have to look at games like SWTOR and GW2 to see that their repeatable story segments give not only XP, but have all manner of extra difficulty levels, challenges and achievements with all sort of rewards. That is the level we have been presented to such features (at least in the west, wich might be the problem). The way it is being presented to us in FFXIV is not to a level we are happy with. It is a very poor effort for something that is taking so many resources. So, i don't think it is unreasonable for it to at least give XP so people can enjoy leveling a job while doing the story again. That is what i had in mind and my expectation of this system fell sorely flat.
It's not about you. You are happy, you got what you wanted, it's not gonna go away. But others expected more and want to express that. I think we do deserve a better feature. Would you feel the system would be any less if more was added?

[Melichoir]

snip snap

If its not enough for you, so what? For many, its plenty fine and is being delivered more or less as expected. This keeps coming back to a very important point: People thinking thered be exp when the devs never gave such a confirmation is on those people, not the devs. In a nutshell, the devs said youd be able to replay the MSQ. They never said you could use it to level classes, or get rewards. The assumption to the otherwise is because people were thinking "Oh, that would be nifty if it could!" And they keep pointing to other games who had an NG+ feature, not fully acknowledging that the feature varied from game to game.

Beyond that, who are you to say its a poor effort. You have literally no idea how much effort went into this. Absolutely none, and youre seemingly coming to this conclusion based solely on being disappointed its not providing you with something they never offered. Your expectation only falls flat because you made an assumption about something they never offered. And people are pushing back against you because you are busy tearing into this system because you set yourself up for disappointment and have in this thread expressed some hyperbolic statements. For those who love the idea of replaying, would it matter if it had exp? No, dont think anyone is seriously saying it would be ruined by having exp. But theyre not arguing that its a "poor effort for something taking so many resources" because theyre getting exactly what was offered.

Beyond that, why the devs would or wouldnt add exp is anyones guess. You assume its cause theyre lazy or some easily avoidable failing of theirs, but considering a lot of what the devs do for the community on the limited resources nad manpower actually dedicated to FFXIV, they give us a bit. It's not always a smash hit, and sometimes it does rely on legacy things. No one is gonna really deny that, but its kinda messed up that you are pulling out an argument about poor effort simply because you had some personal expectation they never even suggested or promised.

[ForteNightshade]

You do not understand. This is not about the people who will use the feature as is. Yes, there are some people, like you who are perfectly happy with this feature as is. For you, that is enough.

But, for others it is not what they had imagined. You just have to look at games like SWTOR and GW2 to see that their repeatable story segments give not only XP, but have all manner of extra difficulty levels, challenges and achievements with all sort of rewards. That is the level we have been presented to such features (at least in the west, wich might be the problem). The way it is being presented to us in FFXIV is not to a level we are happy with. It is a very poor effort for something that is taking so many resources. So, i don't think it is unreasonable for it to at least give XP so people can enjoy leveling a job while doing the story again. That is what i had in mind and my expectation of this system fell sorely flat.
It's not about you. You are happy, you got what you wanted, it's not gonna go away. But others expected more and want to express that. I think we do deserve a better feature. Would you feel the system would be any less if more was added?

You really need to stop speaking in absolutes. They never presented New Game+ as an alternate leveling experience. In fact, they did precisely the opposite through their emphasise on it being for those who wanted to replay the story. Likewise, you keep insisting this costs a ton of resources. While neither of us know for certain. It isn't difficult to speculate the opposite is once again true. High development costs typical occur from art design and animation. Such is why battle content can be among the most expensive aspects of a game. New Game+ has neither of these things. All they have to do is create a system that unchecks the MSQ flag. It's unlikely this costs much considering it's backend coding which doesn't have nearly the equivalent cost.

You continue to draw this correlation between enjoying leveling and the story. You can already "enjoy" leveling through a myriad of ways. For a lot people who wanted New Game+, the story is all they cared about. Adding experience would just see many people mass skipping cut scenes because they never cared about the story to begin with. They just wanted an even faster way to level.

[Naoki34]

It may have been lost in translation, but does this purely mean that there will be no gil and item rewards (which is understandable) but still giving exp so we have an alternative to POTD and HOH for leveling alt jobs - or does this mean: no rewards att all and subsequently that new game plus is a completely useless feature?

The reward is to be able to relive my best parts of the MSQ (HW / SB / ShB) without having to redo ARR which is a great moment of suffering.
The log isn't enough, it is very fragmented, relive the MSQ without the worry of leveling is priceless.

Reliving the most memorable fighting of the MSQ like the one against Raubahn, is priceless.

This newgame+ offered by Yoshi-P & SE is for the players to those who have asked during a long time ago to be able to relive the MSQ without having to do a boring leveling.
You are not the target audience of this feature.

[Enla]

-snip-

It's not as you imagined but what you imagined was never even hinted at in the first place. At no point did the developer team say they were going to add exp to this feature, that and the idea that it'd be a chance to completely wipe the slate clean were community speculation based on hype, and while I can definitely sympathize with your expectations not being fulfilled at the end of the day the development team is under no onus to meet them.

As for using other games as an example, there are games that do things almost identical to what FFXIV is trying to implement that don't give any exp either. LoTRO comes to mind where you can replay almost any story quest in a zone via a special fountain, but you're not going to get any rewards for it. It's there just so you can enjoy the story again, which given how well written that MMO's original story quests are is a boon. Not everything needs a carrot.

[Jybril]

You all might as well forget about talking to Nemmar.
We're all just going around circles with him. He is the only one here
vehemently upset about this. Maybe if you make a topic or thread
and have them consider the thought instead of shooting every other
person on there here thread, maybe they'll take the EXP thing consideration.
It really isn't that serious my friend lol. It's just nothing to get this
worked up over with.

[hynaku]

It just be another worthless add on that I will never use. If want see old quest I would re watch them at the inn. If get nothing for doing the quests why even waste your time. How about they put there funds and add more end game content and more hair styles for the new races. They could also used funds for new game plus for a new healer class. Just like the trust system that I will never use. All ready could run dungeons with my squadron.