"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Shougun]

I guess you never heard of the resident evil series then.This was back on ps1 so it might be before your time but it was games like that that popularised it.

https://www.gamecrate.com/brief-history-new-game/20642

Many people attribute the creation of New Game + to Chrono Trigger, and for good reason, as Chrono Trigger was the first game to use the term “New Game +.” It was not, however, the first game to feature a New Game + mode.

The origins of the New Game + actually date back to the arcade era. After a player had beaten all the content a game had to offer, the game would usually start over again in order to allow them to keep playing on a single quarter. Many older arcade games would start over with little change, but games like Pac-Man and Donkey Kong would slightly alter their difficult on a subsequent playthroughs, usually by increasing the speed.

That was a fun whirlwind lol. If they knew Chrono trigger they're old enough for resident evil, but at the same time new game plus has been used for difficulty from the earlier renditions and all that.

People can keep going of course. . . just thought to share that bit lol.

My take away here is nothing wrong with asking for difficulty options, rewards, or discussing if those rewards may cause issues, and there were a lot of people who thought the system would have rewards (at least from reading the forums) but at the same time SE didn't give an impression that would be part of it especially since NG+ is rather unusual for an MMO (so it would be good to have less expectation for such a new concept). I think it would be okay to be disappointed and ask for something extra/change, through normal dialog methods though lol. And of course recognizing there is a whole group of people who would have literally paid gil to new game+ just for story, so avoiding objective disappointment for subjective disappointment would make the discussion much smoother lol.

Anyway.. have fun~

[Metalwrath]

https://www.gamecrate.com/brief-history-new-game/20642



That was a fun whirlwind lol. If they knew Chrono trigger they're old enough for resident evil, but at the same time new game plus has been used for difficulty from the earlier rendentions and all that.

People can keep going of course. . . just thought to share that bit lol.

My take away here is nothing wrong with asking for reward, or discussing if those rewards may cause issues, and there were a lot of people who thought the system would have rewards (at least from reading the forums) but at the same time SE didn't give an impression that would be part of it especially since NG+ is rather unusual for an MMO (so it would be good to have less expectation for such a new concept).

Anyway.. have fun~

It's not uncommon for many ff players to know of chrono trigger due to it being from the same genre of games and comeing from the same company.
Also a lot of the speed runs and hard version runs that got popular in chrono trigger werent until well after the release.That games popularity jumped a lot when emulators became a thing and people could boost game speed etc.
Games like resident evil popularised unlocking hard modes when they were still current games on their consoles which led to a lot more games releasing hard modes in the future.

[Iscah]

My point was simply that locking a mount behind doing all of the quests in order to incentivize the content would have been nice and not at all harmful to the feature or content. If you don't want to do it then fine. If you do then great have a reward type of thing.

I think the thing is, why would you need to "incentivise" people to use this feature?

With the current setup, if people want to replay the story, then replaying the story is its own reward and the people engaging with it are enjoying it.

If they offered an exclusive reward like a mount, people who don't care about the story would feel like they have to do it, click through everything and complain about how they were forced to replay the entire MSQ just to get that mount.

So they would possibly have more complaints and negative opinions of the system by doing that.


Also, there are plenty of logistical questions. How do you judge someone has "completed" their MSQ replay when the MSQ itself has not come to an end? Do you have to give a separate reward for every expansion? What's so special about playing the story again that you earn a pile of exclusive items from it? Would this seem like penalising people with alts, who would have to play the MSQ a second time per character if they want those rewards for that particular character?

[SieyaM]

What is drawing me to New Game+ is being able to just run the story again without getting off on all these side quests and things to try and fill levels. Playing my first job through ARR I remember having to try and meet level requirements for dungeons before I could run them and continue. There also won't be the months of down time between content since you can run them all together if you like.

[Tsalmaveth]

Passive aggressive much? My point was simply that locking a mount behind doing all of the quests in order to incentivize the content would have been nice and not at all harmful to the feature or content. If you don't want to do it then fine. If you do then great have a reward type of thing.

Where was I passive aggressive towards you? Hm? There were other people in this thread tossing out the 'go to the inn' yet again towards those of us saying that there was no need to attach rewards/exp to this feature... As if we hadn't been told to 'go to the inn' for the past few years when doing the MSQ already through every dungeon or group story-point because people 'gotta-go-fast' for their exp. The first line of that reply was directed towards your comment which was 'why not a mount at the end?' and I responded 'there is no "end" for this, it is not linear in design'. And it is not. It is split up into chapters for all of the expansions offered (minus ARR because they are currently in the process of revamping it to streamline it) so that people can pick and choose what they want to reply when they want to replay it. The idea that there would be a 'prize/mount' for people who 'do all the chapters' perhaps? Why? The point of this is an optional thing for people who want to jump in and see something again. There doesn't need to be a reward for doing so. There doesn't need to be a carrot attached to it.

They put a carrot at the end of something optional already: The Amaro Mount. And people are complaining their heads off about it. You don't NEED to get all classes to 80. That's something people CAN do if they WANT to for FUN. And they decided in this expansion to reward you for it. And people are complaining about the reward. >_>

This content is 100% optional, something requested by people who really want to revisit key story points. Especially now that the story is really spinning up into grand moments and conclusions and we're going 'AH HAH!' about things. And noticing things. And might want to go back to things we might have missed. People want to revisit and might not want to use alts to do so. And the devs have worked to provide a way to do it. There don't need to be prizes or rewards or ways to grind attached to it. They obviously didn't intend for there to be.

[ICountFrom0]

If I can't get the achivements for doing the quests paths from the other 2 cities, and I can't get access to the other 4 pieces of unique eqipment from those low level quests, what's the point?

[Mhaeric]

If I can't get the achivements for doing the quests paths from the other 2 cities, and I can't get access to the other 4 pieces of unique eqipment from those low level quests, what's the point?

Nothing for you. In which case simply don't do it.

[Callinon]

What is drawing me to New Game+ is being able to just run the story again without getting off on all these side quests and things to try and fill levels. Playing my first job through ARR I remember having to try and meet level requirements for dungeons before I could run them and continue. There also won't be the months of down time between content since you can run them all together if you like.

Yeah that's about all I can think to use it for too. I was thinking maybe at the end of the expansion, using NG+ to do everything in one nice continuous run that's not broken up by a patch cycle.

Without exp rewards, there seems to be literally no other reason to use the feature at all.

[Tsalmaveth]

If I can't get the achivements for doing the quests paths from the other 2 cities, and I can't get access to the other 4 pieces of unique eqipment from those low level quests, what's the point?

ARR isn't even implemented at this time anyway? But yeah... I guess if what you're wanting is the beginning equipment only... then there is no point for you, since this feature is to see the story, not collect gear. At least as it is currently being put into the game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Opie]

So anybody know if they are killing our levels back to 1 and letting us keep gear and stuff like most games that offer NG+ ?
If so are we still going to be able to play with ppl that are not in NG+1-10 ? Like if I wana invite normal world buddies to a NG+ dungeon? Or are they leaving us in the normal world and just flipping our msq completion from 1 to 0 ?