"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Jybril]

God dog, people are so mad at this on something
they really don't even have to do and care for but just
are extremely angry.

And this thread proves i was right? Lots of people came here to express their disappointment. I know there are people who will be happy with just replaying the story. But do you know that that is not everyone? Are you this ok with denying others a feature they could enjoy? Why?

If that is the case, and i have my doubts, then what exactly is your problem? If the exploit is happening already having new game + give XP rewards would change absolutely nothing. So, again, why are you adamant in denying people a feature they could enjoy? I mean, just the fact that you think the game should now be designed with everything the bots do in mind is ridiculous. Should we also remove mob drops from the overworld? Shall we remove quest cause bots do them? Should we remove gathering nodes cause bots farm them? Just stop.
The bots are a problem on squeenix back end and that is where it needs to be fixed. Not in the game design.



Oh keep your shinies. I want to have the experience of leveling my job through the story back. It was supported by the game on the first job. But, apparently, i have to be forced into those options you listed without any choice even though the feature is right there. I cannot be allowed to enjoy a different method. Why? Hmm why indeed... eh? Then i'm the one telling others eh? Sweet irony.

And why are you upset? Because you can't get EXP again?
If you want to level with the story again. Just make an alt and be done with it.
Sheebus, it's not that serious...Some of you people need to really calm down.

[Nemmar]

God dog, people are so mad at this on something
they really don't even have to do and care for but just
are extremely angry.

And why are you upset? Because you can't get EXP again?
If you want to level with the story again. Just make an alt and be done with it.
Sheebus, it's not that serious...Some of you people need to really calm down.

I think it's funny how peeps that say this are actually agreeing the feature is useless the way it is. You want to do the story? Roll an Alt character. Same situation buddy. Who are you to deny people that would like to get xp? This is the feedback being left here and the fact you are contrarian does not change the fact people want it.

Sorry. I'm not a Yes-man. Maybe if they paid me. But when someone is wrong, i will say it. Nothing you can do about it. Also, don't use the fact that i don't live in the forums has any semblance that you you shut me up. There is no point in repeating the same things to people who don't understand and i do value my time. But, it definitely was shown to me how toxic these forums can be.
But, the issue is getting a lot of exposure and support. So, i am happy about that.

[Gemina]

I think it's funny how peeps that say this are actually agreeing the feature is useless. You want to do the story? Roll an Alt character. Same situation buddy.

I don't know exactly how this feature is going to work, but I do know that if I want to take on Raubahn again in that friendly bout in the ring of fire, it's not going to take me anywhere near as long as it does to get a new character to 60 and get to that point in the MSQ.

[HyoMinPark]

Sorry. I'm not a Yes-man. Maybe if they paid me. But when someone is wrong, i will say it. Nothing you can do about it.

I haven’t seen anything that proves that you’re right. Your statement was “this is a useless feature and no one will use it”. Meanwhile, there’s a substantial amount of posts in this thread proving that statement wrong. You’re speaking your opinion—you aren’t speaking facts. YOU think this feature is useless because it doesn’t meet YOUR expectations. But that doesn’t make it so for others. You’re adamant about people not speaking for you...but that’s what you’ve been doing the entire time you’re in this thread, my dude.

Also, don't use the fact that i don't live in the forums has any semblance that you you shut me up. There is no point in repeating the same things to people who don't understand and i do value my time. But, it definitely was shown to me how toxic these forums can be.
But, the issue is getting a lot of exposure and support. So, i am happy about that.

TIL “People disagreeing with me and telling me that I’m speaking my opinion and not facts = toxic”.

I have to wonder where you inferred any of this from that post. Post count has very little to do with how “worthy” people think you are to post here. That’s just irrational thinking.

[Nemmar]

I haven’t seen anything that proves that you’re right. Your statement was “this is a useless feature and no one will use it”. Meanwhile, there’s a substantial amount of posts in this thread proving that statement wrong. You’re speaking your opinion—you aren’t speaking facts. YOU think this feature is useless because it doesn’t meet YOUR expectations. But that doesn’t make it so for others. You’re adamant about people not speaking for you...but that’s what you’ve been doing the entire time you’re in this thread, my dude.



TIL “People disagreeing with me and telling me that I’m speaking my opinion and not facts = toxic”.

I have to wonder where you inferred any of this from that post. Post count has very little to do with how “worthy” people think you are to post here. That’s just irrational thinking.

Ok...The proof is all over the reactions on this thread. You are purposely ignoring them. There is no substantial amount of people that will use the feature on this thread. There's a group of yes-men trying to talk those of us that are dissatisfied from express our views. That is toxicity. Some will use the feature honestly. But it will be a very select group, because you only have to think about it. If there is no progression in the system it's a system that will compete for attention with systems that actually progress your character, wich is basically the rest of the game. It will therefore see low activity numbers. Sorry if the truth hurts or is too hard to grasp. If you want to pretend that isn't the case go right ahead. Not my business.

You're one to talk. You have the audacity to assume that if this doesn't include rewards of some kind that NOBODY is going to use it, which has been proven in this very thread to be untrue. You're allowed to not like and criticize how NG+ is implemented, but don't just write the feature off because you personally have a gripe with it.

That is convenient cause that is not what i said. I said that few will use it. Different.


Honestly all i have heard in this thread are excuses. The system would be much better if it had Xp rewards. If you don't agree, your deal. But let other people express that in peace. We don't need a fan club in our face when we want something in the game to be better.

[DynnDiablos]

Ok...The proof is all over the reactions on this thread. You are purposely ignoring them. There is no substantial amount of people that will use the feature on this thread. There's a group of yes-men trying to talk those of us that are dissatisfied from express our views. That is toxicity. Some will use the feature honestly. But it will be a very select group, because you only have to think about it. If there is no progression in the system it's a system that will compete for attention with systems that actually progress your character, wich is basically the rest of the game. It will therefore see low activity numbers. Sorry if the truth hurts or is too hard to grasp. If you want to pretend that isn't the case go right ahead. Not my business.



That is convenient cause that is not what i said. I said that few will use it. Different.


Honestly all i have heard in this thread are excuses. The system would be much better if it had Xp rewards. If you don't agree, your deal. But let other people express that in peace. We don't need a fan club in our face when we want something in the game to be better.

You keep saying we are all toxic, when you're the one who came into this thread looking for a fight. You've been nothing less than hostile at people who don't agree with you, acting as if your opinion is the only correct one and that you speak for every player who wanted New Game Plus.

Maybe you should take a moment, re-read your comments in this thread, and see that people are being combative because you haven't been pleasant in the slightest.

Your desire for wanting XP or rewards in New Game Plus is allowed. Me saying I don't care and I just want to replay the story is allowed. I'm no more right than you are. In the end, these forums are to express opinions, and no one opinion is more important than the other. Also, if people don't use the feature...that's their personal choice.

This was designed for players (like me) who play this game mainly for the story experience, which is why I play a STORY-based MMO...if the story didn't exist, I wouldn't even bother with this game and I am not alone in that.

You need to re-think your approach and realize you can express your desire to gain something without putting others down who don't agree with you.

[ForteNightshade]

Ok...The proof is all over the reactions on this thread. You are purposely ignoring them. There is no substantial amount of people that will use the feature on this thread. There's a group of yes-men trying to talk those of us that are dissatisfied from express our views. That is toxicity. Some will use the feature honestly. But it will be a very select group, because you only have to think about it. If there is no progression in the system it's a system that will compete for attention with systems that actually progress your character, wich is basically the rest of the game. It will therefore see low activity numbers. Sorry if the truth hurts or is too hard to grasp. If you want to pretend that isn't the case go right ahead. Not my business.
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I do love the irony. Now people who fancy this feature and never cared about the EXP gains are just yes-men ignoring the ample pushback despite only the second post, which now boasts 53 likes, saying:

People have been wanting to replay the story without creating alts for ages. Exp or no, new game plus won’t be useless & will make a lot of people happy.

And that's only one post. Meanwhile, your post on that same page as the highest like count from the opposing side with only 18.

Normally, this would be fine. We all are entitled to our opinions. Except... apparently not, according you. Because anyone who dares support this feature without EXP is simply kissing up to SE. If I'm to be honest, you know very well your stance isn't the majority and that bothers you for some reason.

[Nemmar]

I do love the irony. Now people who fancy this feature and never cared about the EXP gains are just yes-men ignoring the ample pushback despite only the second post, which now boasts 53 likes, saying:



And that's only one post. Meanwhile, your post on that same page as the highest like count from the opposing side with only 18.

Normally, this would be fine. We all are entitled to our opinions. Except... apparently not, according you. Because anyone who dares support this feature without EXP is simply kissing up to SE. If I'm to be honest, you know very well your stance isn't the majority and that bothers you for some reason.

Honestly i'm done with such petty replies.

If you have a good reason why the quests shouldn't give xp, let me know. If not, move along.

[ForteNightshade]

Honestly i'm done with such petty replies.

If you have a good reason why the quests shouldn't give xp, let me know. If not, move along.

Oh, so now opposing replies are petty? A tab dismissive isn't it? But no. It couldn't possibly be that. After all, you insisted only our posts did that and never yours!

But since you asked, I already posted my explanation why NG+ couldn't reward EXP. You chose to ignore on your crusade.

Please explain how this thread proves you're right when the highest liked posts—of which there are several—argue against it? While I normally attribute little to likes, in a discussion about whether you "like" a feature or not. They are somewhat relevant.

Putting aside ARR, you're forgetting how allowing repeat EXP gains on every MSQ quest renders almost every other EXP avenue obsolete. Just doing the Shadowbringer quests from 70-71 nets you 10,080,000 EXP. For comparison sake, this is more than even the MSQ Roulette offers at the equivalent level. And you could skip every cut scene, making it take no more than a half hour if even that. Basically, New Game Plus becomes the best EXP option by a mile. Highest EXP rewards per time spent, no chance for wipe or slow downs save your own. Why would I even touch other content for leveling?

As for denying others a feature they could enjoy. People who want to experience the story again will welcome this feature because EXP gains were never their desire in the first place. The only people this "hurts" are those who hoped for a cheap and easy leveling alternative where they wouldn't even watch the cut scenes, thus defeating the entire point. Simply put, New Game+ wasn't designed for you much in the same capacity Ultimate is designed exclusively for raiders.

I'll reiterate what I posted from earlier. The first twenty one quests (70-71) awards 10,060,00 Million EXP. This is more than the MSQ Roulette at a comparable level. In fact, it's nearly the equivalent Mt. Gulg offers. If you skipped every cut scene, it'd likely take less than a half hour, thus making NG+ the best leveling method by a landslide. And you could then restart and get that 10M+ all over again with no limitations.

Put simply, it would be abused. Good thing this thread clearly shows people fancy this feature despite it not offering EXP even if you insist otherwise.

[dragonkyn20]

Honestly all i have heard in this thread are excuses. The system would be much better if it had Xp rewards. If you don't agree, your deal. But let other people express that in peace. We don't need a fan club in our face when we want something in the game to be better.

"Let other people express that in peace."

Then maybe you should practice what you preach instead of getting antsy over a difference of opinion.