"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[HyoMinPark]

It may have been lost in translation, but does this purely mean that there will be no gil and item rewards (which is understandable) but still giving exp so we have an alternative to POTD and HOH for leveling alt jobs - or does this mean: no rewards att all and subsequently that new game plus is a completely useless feature?

How is this feature going to be useless? I was planning the moment it was announced to go back and do things like HW’s story and the DRK job quests (hopefully those are added in sooner rather than later) regardless of if they were going to reward Gil or EXP. So were many of my friends. If players want easy EXP, the game offers tons of options for that already. Not everything needs to give Gil or EXP to be worthwhile. Some players enjoy the story and don’t need carrots dangling from sticks to go back and enjoy it again.

Personally, my hype for 5.1 centers all around New Game Plus. I’ve been dying to do ShB’s story again as a DRK on my main for the “full Warrior of Darkness experience”.

We don't know if it'll give exp or not yet, but overall I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't. At least not without some nerfs because it would be a touch too far on the exploitable side to just run the patches over and over again when most don't take long to complete at all.

As for why they made it if exp isn't available, assuming it isn't, it's to give people who skipped the story or whom want to redo the story the ability to do so. Lotro has a very similar feature and in games where the story IS one of it's most important features it's something I'm amazed wasn't implemented sooner.

I’m fairly certain that the PLL last night confirmed that New Game Plus won’t offer quest rewards for doing it. I could be misremembering, as it was late, though.

Wow...playing through quest = want to get free stuff.

You heard it here first folks.

I guess we should just go and remove all rewards from all quests in the game. We wouldn't want to be giving out "free stuff".

Dude, pause and listen to yourself. No one would do anything in the game if there were no rewards. That is the whole point. To progress.

Why exactly are we wasting resources with a system almost no one will use cause it doesn't allow them to progress? Heck i'd rather they worked on something else and dropped this right now. At least more players could enjoy whatever new stuff.

I’ve heard raiders talk about how they’d do the Ultimates even without the title and weapon attached, simply for the experience and the challenge. So, I’d say you’re wrong. There are plenty of people that would do things without shinies attached to them.

Don’t use absolutes in your argument. There are players in this very thread saying that they’re going to make use of the feature—but you’re insisting that “no one” is going to use it. I’m going to use it. I don’t care about EXP and Gil—all of my jobs save GNB are level 70+, and I have more Gil than I need. New Game Plus having no rewards is irrelevant to me.

[Metalwrath]

How is this feature going to be useless? I was planning the moment it was announced to go back and do things like HW’s story and the DRK job quests (hopefully those are added in sooner rather than later) regardless of if they were going to reward Gil or EXP. So were many of my friends. If you want easy EXP, the game offers you tons of options for that already. Not everything needs to give Gil or EXP to be worthwhile.

Personally, my hype for 5.1 centers all around New Game Plus. I’ve been dying to do ShB’s story again as a DRK on my main.

Not to mention the amount of players who main dragoon now would want go go back and do HW as dragoon.Or even as gunbreaker as it was only released this expansion.

[Enla]

I’m fairly certain that the PLL last night confirmed that New Game Plus won’t offer quest rewards for doing it. I could be misremembering, as it was late, though.

Thanks for the correction! It was late for me as well so I didn't remember all that was said.
Still that works for me. I've been wanting to go back and do specific quests again, instead of redoing the entire thing, and the fact that the system is close to how LoTRO does it is just icing on the cake for me.

[Ragnar_Gerwulfsson]

Fair that, but also, again - all those choices gives disproportionate exp to what time you put in and it's the same 3-4 things over and over. With a storyline, you have a flow of things you are following that makes it feel less of a grind. Again, personal experience of the situation.

I do agree though that POTD and HOH give to much experience - but I don't see people complaining about that as much now at any rate. Only way to get a little boost to help the exp grind creep along atm.

I guess my issue is that I love FFXIV for it's gameplay and story art and everything, but I find the job leveling outside of MSQ feels unrewarding, not because of lack of progression but that I can't put in large amounts of effort tied together in an over arching way -instead have to run the same 5 minute chores 200 times over. Same amount of effort, just packaged in annoying 5 minute bursts. (Yes it's an overexaggeration but still the point)

*Edit* Mind you, combat orientated jobs only. The hand/land jobs I feel are fun as is and looking forward to the 5.1 and onwards stuff

[Nemmar]

Thats oppinion and not fact.You need to learn the difference.Plenty of people enjoy reliving content for story.Hell there are some who have gone back to do praetorium just for that.
Just because some people dont agree doesnt mean thats the opinion of the entire game population.
And like most things in game its optional content.
You dont want to do it if there's no rewards then dont do it.

I could tell you the same. They already had an option for that by rolling a new character though. This is the option of doing the story again on the same character and it's completely pointless. Yeah, some people might do some parts for a refresher. But, it's not about not being for everyone, it's about being for almost no one. What people wanted was to level new jobs while enjoying the story again. Cause that is what people enjoy. That the devs were this blind to it is shocking to me.

How is this feature going to be useless? I was planning the moment it was announced to go back and do things like HW’s story and the DRK job quests (hopefully those are added in sooner rather than later) regardless of if they were going to reward Gil or EXP. So were many of my friends. If players want easy EXP, the game offers tons of options for that already. Not everything needs to give Gil or EXP to be worthwhile. Some players enjoy the story and don’t need carrots dangling from sticks to go back and enjoy it again.

Personally, my hype for 5.1 centers all around New Game Plus. I’ve been dying to do ShB’s story again as a DRK on my main for the “full Warrior of Darkness experience”.



I’m fairly certain that the PLL last night confirmed that New Game Plus won’t offer quest rewards for doing it. I could be misremembering, as it was late, though.



I’ve heard raiders talk about how they’d do the Ultimates even without the title and weapon attached, simply for the experience and the challenge. So, I’d say you’re wrong. There are plenty of people that would do things without shinies attached to them.

Don’t use absolutes in your argument. There are players in this very thread saying that they’re going to make use of the feature—but you’re insisting that “no one” is going to use it. I’m going to use it. I don’t care about EXP and Gil—all of my jobs save GNB are level 70+, and I have more Gil than I need. New Game Plus having no rewards is irrelevant to me.

Maybe some would, but i can guarantee that most wouldn't. The point of mmo's is to progress your character. If you don't understand that i dunno what to tell you. Your view is that much tilted.

To progress... towards what? 80? Someone already done with the story will already be at 80, so that's not it. Better gear? Rewards won't help with that, both since gil rewards are paltry and because gil can only buy you up to 20 item levels below the current gear cap. Level an alt job? Ineffecient. You can get far more exp spamming the relevant dungeon.

That leaves the story.

I don't know about you, but there's two things that keep me subscribed to this game. End-game raid, and the story. At this point my static has everything on farm, so that's only happening once in the week. I already have all the primal mounts, and I'm plucking away at all my alt jobs with my daily roulettes because I don't feel like putting effort into jobs I'll never play.

I'm excited for new game+ because I'll get to re-live the story. The great story that keeps me playing this game. I'm excited to re-live it with the modern version of my current character that I've poured so many hours into.

So personally, I don't mind that there would be no rewards. I don't really see anyone using it normally, because after the first replay, it'll be both ineffecient and boring to see the same thing over and over. But what I DO see is people making bots to spam new game+, along set paths and with set programming, to abuse possible rewards. I think this is an anti-botting measure that doesn't take away anything of actual value from the players.

You character. You progress your character. I cannot believe i have to spell this out.

Tell me though... isn't there something else you should be doing with your in-game time that progresses your character in some other way? Maybe when you play the game that much you got nothing else to achieve that you don't really care if you don't get anything for it. But i want to be able to enjoy the story while progressing my alt jobs and have a different taste at the gameplay. I was purposely waiting for this feature and this is a huge disappointment. I am pretty sure that many feel the same way.
If story was the only thing that mattered then why not just roll new characters? I don't get what the point of this is. Yes, i know you guys say "to enjoy the story again". Well, as i said before you can look up the story on youtube/twitch anytime i want, you can roll an alt character if you want to play it again. This coding, this feature is totally useless like this. I am beyond myself cause i know people asked for this for more than just to replay the story. Honestly the biggest waste of resources i have ever seen in an mmo feature. The things that could've been done instead of this. Appalling decision from a dev team.

[PyurBlue]

The point of mmo's is to progress your character.

I disagree, and I think less of a focus on progression would improve the genre in many ways. Regardless, not everything has to be about progression or rewards. I've always found it odd that FF14 didn't have a story replay option all along given how large a portion of the game it is. For those interested in the story, NG+ has inherent value. It's also good for people who don't want to have to choose between story and catching up with friends. Once the replay feature is added you will be able to go through the game as fast as you want and catch up on the story later. I wouldn't want to see any rewards attached to NG+, it would mean being forced to slog through the story, again, just for exclusive items. I personally think good game design involve making interesting content, not motivating people with carrots.

[HyoMinPark]

I could tell you the same. They already had an option for that by rolling a new character though. This is the option of doing the story again on the same character and it's completely pointless. Yeah, some people might do some parts for a refresher. But, it's not about not being for everyone, it's about being for almost no one. What people wanted was to level new jobs while enjoying the story again. Cause that is what people enjoy. That the devs were this blind to it is shocking to me.

It’s not pointless to those who want to redo the story on their main character. Each character can have a different experience when it comes to the MSQ. I explained in another post about how my alts handle response different compared to my main; the MSQ experience is different for each character I own because I’ve designed them purposely to be different. There is a certain novelty to being able to redo the story on my main that can’t be reproduced by just rerolling a new character. And, considering how alt-unfriendly this game is, a lot of players don’t want to have to roll an alt just to enjoy the story again, anyways.

It’s a pointless feature for YOU just because it isn’t going to vomit experience and Gil at YOU. You should clarify that your argument really only applies to you here, because you have others in this thread proving to you that it isn’t so pointless after all to them.

Maybe some would, but i can guarantee that most wouldn't. The point of mmo's is to progress your character. If you don't understand that i dunno what to tell you. Your view is that much tilted.

There are myriads of ways to “progress your character” in the game already. Not everything has to be designed to throw Gil and experience at people, and people have been asking for this kind of feature for years—without the caveat of “make it give me EXP and money”.. Adding experience and rewards to this just makes it a prime target for bots—both RMT and those who want to do scripted leveling.

I do find it ironic that you’re calling my opinion tilted. I could say the same about yours.

[Nemmar]

It’s not pointless to those who want to redo the story on their main character. Each character can have a different experience when it comes to the MSQ. I explained in another post about how my alts handle response different compared to my main; the MSQ experience is different for each character I own because I’ve designed them purposely to be different. There is a certain novelty to being able to redo the story on my main that can’t be reproduced by just rerolling a new character. And, considering how alt-unfriendly this game is, a lot of players don’t want to have to roll an alt just to enjoy the story again, anyways.

It’s a pointless feature for YOU just because it isn’t going to vomit experience and Gil at YOU. You should clarify that your argument really only applies to you here, because you have others in this thread proving to you that it isn’t so pointless after all to them.




There are myriads of ways to “progress your character” in the game already. Not everything has to be designed to throw Gil and experience at people, and people have been asking for this kind of feature for years—without the caveat of “make it give me EXP and money”.. Adding experience and rewards to this just makes it a prime target for bots—both RMT and those who want to do scripted leveling.

I do find it ironic that you’re calling my opinion tilted. I could say the same about yours.

It is pointless in the context that hardly anyone will use this feature and we could have had something else that more players could have enjoyed instead. The feature is not worthwhile just cause you really want the same mute character to show up in the cut-scenes. That does not justify all the development time that has gone into this.
Even if you want to rationalize that some people will play the feature, and i will be honest, i doubt even that. Only those with nothing else to do will do it, and once they reach the part they wanted to see they will just stop. If you truly cared about the game as i am sure you think you do, you would recognize this feature is not a good use of resources and it's not meeting player expectations.

[DynnDiablos]

It is pointless in the context that hardly anyone will use this feature and we could have had something else that more players could have enjoyed instead. The feature is not worthwhile just cause you really want the same mute character to show up in the cut-scenes. That does not justify all the development time that has gone into this.
Even if you want to rationalize that some people will play the feature, and i will be honest, i doubt even that. Only those with nothing else to do will do it, and once they reach the part they wanted to see they will just stop. If you truly cared about the game as i am sure you think you do, you would recognize this feature is not a good use of resources and it's not meeting player expectations.

You're such an angry person. I feel like you may need to step back and realize it's not all about you. New Game Plus is coming whether you like it or not. Don't use it. No one is forcing you. Those of us who love the story and just want to enjoy it again will use it.

[Nemmar]

You're such an angry person. I feel like you may need to step back and realize it's not all about you. New Game Plus is coming whether you like it or not. Don't use it. No one is forcing you. Those of us who love the story and just want to enjoy it again will use it.

Wow... and you are a very rude person. Expressing dissatisfaction now means one is angry. Internet always classy.