"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Metalwrath]

It may have been lost in translation, but does this purely mean that there will be no gil and item rewards (which is understandable) but still giving exp so we have an alternative to POTD and HOH for leveling alt jobs - or does this mean: no rewards att all and subsequently that new game plus is a completely useless feature?

It's only useless because you dont want go through story again unless you gain something from it.
Many people have changed their jobs through the course of the story due to new jobs etc being introduced or deciding to main another job.
A lot of people like to go through the story again but they dont want to waste time making a new character just for the sake of it.
New game plus was designed for those players.
It wasnt designed for people who want 'free stuff'

[Nemmar]

It's only useless because you dont want go through story again unless you gain something from it.
Many people have changed their jobs through the course of the story due to new jobs etc being introduced or deciding to main another job.
A lot of people like to go through the story again but they dont want to waste time making a new character just for the sake of it.
New game plus was designed for those players.
It wasnt designed for people who want 'free stuff'

Wow...playing through quest = want to get free stuff.

You heard it here first folks.

I guess we should just go and remove all rewards from all quests in the game. We wouldn't want to be giving out "free stuff".

Dude, pause and listen to yourself. No one would do anything in the game if there were no rewards. That is the whole point. To progress.

Why exactly are we wasting resources with a system almost no one will use cause it doesn't allow them to progress? Heck i'd rather they worked on something else and dropped this right now. At least more players could enjoy whatever new stuff.

[Metalwrath]

Wow...playing through quest = want to get free stuff.

You heard it here first folks.

I guess we should just go and remove all rewards from all quests in the game. We wouldn't want to be giving out "free stuff".

Dude, pause and listen to yourself. No one would do anything in the game if there were no rewards. That is the whole point. To progress.

Why exactly are we wasting resources with a system almost no one will use cause it doesn't allow them to progress? Heck i'd rather they worked on something else and dropped this right now. At least more players could enjoy whatever new stuff.

Thats oppinion and not fact.You need to learn the difference.Plenty of people enjoy reliving content for story.Hell there are some who have gone back to do praetorium just for that.
Just because some people dont agree doesnt mean thats the opinion of the entire game population.
And like most things in game its optional content.
You dont want to do it if there's no rewards then dont do it.

[Nabril]

Thats oppinion and not fact.You need to learn the difference.Plenty of people enjoy reliving content for story.Hell there are some who have gone back to do praetorium just for that.
Just because some people dont agree doesnt mean thats the opinion of the entire game population.
And like most things in game its optional content.
You dont want to do it if there's no rewards then dont do it.

Actually, the part where he said that doing quests equals rewards which is why people do them is spot on. I do beast tribes every day to get the rewards. I did story quests (because I had to) and also to enjoy the quest rewards. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. It's why I did them. It's why I still do quests. The goal is to get to level 80. Everyone, unless they're level 1, did quests for the rewards at some point in this game- even you.

[Vidu]

Wow...playing through quest = want to get free stuff.

You heard it here first folks.

I guess we should just go and remove all rewards from all quests in the game. We wouldn't want to be giving out "free stuff".

Dude, pause and listen to yourself. No one would do anything in the game if there were no rewards. That is the whole point. To progress.

Why exactly are we wasting resources with a system almost no one will use cause it doesn't allow them to progress? Heck i'd rather they worked on something else and dropped this right now. At least more players could enjoy whatever new stuff.

I would argue that the story itself is the reward here - like with any well written story. I dont play Final Fantasy games for the exp, I play them for the story. And its been 6 years since I played through ARR, 4 since HW - but I have no desire to take an alt through said story again and rather stick to my main. Hopefully being able to pick and choose which quests to replay will also help quite a bit by being able to skip certain rather boring or lengthy parts or replaying a specific quest that my memory went fuzzy about.

There are plenty of ways to gain exp, leveling is easier than ever, its not like we totally need to add yet another source. However there is no way to replay quests yet - and doesnt it feel more like a waste that they'd write all those mainstoryquests yet you only get to see them once?

[JohnnyDevo]

Dude, pause and listen to yourself. No one would do anything in the game if there were no rewards. That is the whole point. To progress.

To progress... towards what? 80? Someone already done with the story will already be at 80, so that's not it. Better gear? Rewards won't help with that, both since gil rewards are paltry and because gil can only buy you up to 20 item levels below the current gear cap. Level an alt job? Ineffecient. You can get far more exp spamming the relevant dungeon.

That leaves the story.

I don't know about you, but there's two things that keep me subscribed to this game. End-game raid, and the story. At this point my static has everything on farm, so that's only happening once in the week. I already have all the primal mounts, and I'm plucking away at all my alt jobs with my daily roulettes because I don't feel like putting effort into jobs I'll never play.

I'm excited for new game+ because I'll get to re-live the story. The great story that keeps me playing this game. I'm excited to re-live it with the modern version of my current character that I've poured so many hours into.

So personally, I don't mind that there would be no rewards. I don't really see anyone using it normally, because after the first replay, it'll be both ineffecient and boring to see the same thing over and over. But what I DO see is people making bots to spam new game+, along set paths and with set programming, to abuse possible rewards. I think this is an anti-botting measure that doesn't take away anything of actual value from the players.

[Iscah]

Dude, pause and listen to yourself. No one would do anything in the game if there were no rewards. That is the whole point. To progress.

The "whole point" is to enjoy playing the game and your character. Some of that enjoyment comes from character progression, but it's not the only source.

I get enjoyment from the story, and part of that is being able to go back over previous content and make new connections or just replay parts I enjoy. It's a vastly different experience to just rewatching the cutscenes - so much dialogue that can't be found in the cutscene viewer; the ability to talk to NPCs between objectives and get extra information; solo duties and temporary locations that can't be revisited; and just the experience of being there in the location and seeing everything happen in sequence.

Right now, the only way to replay any part of the story is to start an alt and work your way through the whole game from the beginning of ARR to that point

Not that long ago I had to boost an alt to Lv50 just to replay the Crystal Tower quests before Shadowbringers. With this system I would be able to simply revisit it at will - twice, if I really wanted to.

I'm looking forward to the opportunity to revisit quests when I want to, without worrying about getting an alt to the right level first.

[Ragnar_Gerwulfsson]

Okay, look I enjoy the story as much as anyone else here, so put away the pitchforks and torches all you people yelling "The story is it's own reward".

My point is just this is again a feature that yes, some will enjoy regardless of "physical" reward or no. But a large part of potential is wasted (imo) understand, you already have the book at the inns, replaying you might as well do on alts and get something out of it- but I also get the whole swapping jobs and wanting to experience the story with the new class etc -but it is my biggest gripe with FF is that between patches, to do content you either have to a) grind fates/dungeons/leves with lame enjoyment/replay/time invested to exp ratio - or you have to grind POTD and HOH over and over and over and over...which we've done for the last how many expansions.

Why not give a legitimate alternative to the grindfest with giving exp while redoing the quests? Doing them and leveling a class is no less work (albeit no "free stuff") as rolling an alt. But gives me options to enjoy my leveling experience. I would like to level my jobs without feeling like my options are a) long ass ques for dungeons/fate hopping for next to no exp b)running around in, what becomes a ingame embodiment of an insane hell of running the same room 240 times in a row.

*Edit* And yes, being able to do old content without worrying about alt-level is also legitimate. I am running around trying to catch up on missed quests and storyline. I myself am looking forward to doing the crystal tower quests, ironically did the run-up quests just before SHB launch without thinking about the connection. So I get that aspect as well. Still would be an option for those who want to redo with a highlevel, but missed oppertunity for those that would like to do them for story -and- be able to get up that blackmage without the same grind we have now as the only alternatives.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Okay, look I enjoy the story as much as anyone else here, so put away the pitchforks and torches all you people yelling "The story is it's own reward".

My point is just this is again a feature that yes, some will enjoy regardless of "physical" reward or no. But a large part of potential is wasted (imo) understand, you already have the book at the inns, replaying you might as well do on alts and get something out of it- but I also get the whole swapping jobs and wanting to experience the story with the new class etc -but it is my biggest gripe with FF is that between patches, to do content you either have to a) grind fates/dungeons/leves with lame enjoyment/replay/time invested to exp ratio - or you have to grind POTD and HOH over and over and over and over...which we've done for the last how many expansions.

Why not give a legitimate alternative to the grindfest with giving exp while redoing the quests? Doing them and leveling a class is no less work (albeit no "free stuff") as rolling an alt. But gives me options to enjoy my leveling experience. I would like to level my jobs without feeling like my options are a) long ass ques for dungeons/fate hopping for next to no exp b)running around in, what becomes a ingame embodiment of an insane hell of running the same room 240 times in a row.

Because people would abuse it and just farm MSQ experience, while drying up queues for low level duties.

[Ragnar_Gerwulfsson]

Because people would abuse it and just farm MSQ experience, while drying up queues for low level duties.

Last time I checked low-level dungeons are prerequisites for MSQ completion *shrugs* and also, if your whole sales pitch is "We can't add anything that gives exp with a more fun experience because then people won't do this other monotinous thing that gives shit exp" then why not fix the thing that gives terrible exp? I'd rather do the MSQ with a slight exp nerf than having to replay the dungeons/HOH/POTD over and over as my -only- option. Again, it's not about "free/superior exp gain" it's about -variety-.