"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Callinon]

I'm not quoting all that, Melichoir. You just spent an enormous post putting words in my mouth and attacking positions I haven't taken and arguments I haven't made.

If there's something in particular in all that you'd like me to address I'd be happy to. If not then yeah.. you win, your strawmen were no match for you.

[Melichoir]

I'm not quoting all that, Melichoir. You just spent an enormous post putting words in my mouth and attacking positions I haven't taken and arguments I haven't made.

If there's something in particular in all that you'd like me to address I'd be happy to. If not then yeah.. you win, your strawmen were no match for you.

Look, you want to believe Ive been strawmanning you, go for it. You do you. My overall point has been the same thing. You want exp in NG+ and are bummed it might not be happening. Thats ok in my book, personally. Its perfectly fine to want something in the game and be bummed it might not happen. Ive said that a few times through out this thread.

You want to suggest there'd be nothing wrong with EXP in NG+ and provide examples, dont be surprised if people dont agree with you. I, for one, think there might be and the devs seem to feel there is a problem. Thats an assumption Im making but thats fine. If Im wrong, then so what. World will spin on. In the end, it doesnt matter what you or I think, only what the devs think. We can debate and disagree or agree or whatever, it doesnt change anything broadly.

If you want exp in it, Its fine to advocate for it. Doesnt impact me in that regards, and I get the feeling most people who are happy with NG+ regardless of the exp arent gonna give you to much pushback for that point of view. The concerns I expect to see is implementing it might cost the feature or game quite a bit. But thats an open debate topic.

I draw the line with people in the thread when they start trashing NG+ or the devs because it doesnt have exp, particularly since that assumption was something that they came up with - not something that was ever discussed or promised in my recollection. The "How dare they waste resources on this, its not gonna be used, NG+ needs exp to be even worth having" crowd. Whether you fall into that or not is up to you. I dont think you do as of right now, regardless if I disagree with you over other ideas and thoughts.

[LittleArrow]

It would be nice if they offered a title or some sort of achievement based cosmetic. I'm surprised they're not offering -anything-

It's fine I guess, but definitely not what I wanted / expected when asking for this feature way way way long ago...

[Fynlar]

If I don't want to play with others and experience the content on my own that is my choice. Everyone plays MMO's differently. I play this like a single player game where I sometimes have to interact with others. It is not by choice.

I don't see what your comment has to do with the fact that MMOs are designed around a group experience, will be built to cater toward that experience, and must carefully monitor/regulate the solo concessions they introduce to avoid discouraging said group experience... which was the point of my own comment.

You can "play differently" all you want, but you also don't get to be disappointed when stuff in a MMO ends up not being very solo friendly or doesn't reward a solo playstyle.

[saccarius]

Everything that we use to level alts jobs is repeatable content and much of it is solo. I cannot fathom why this repeatable content provides no experience other than it being relatively fast IF you run around like a maniac skipping every cutscene and clicking through dialogue in which case, they could nerf the XP slightly because levelling through the story over-levels you up to Shadowbringers and the mandatory dungeons and primals would make up the rest.

I actually don't mind running regular dungeons to level but I hate deep dungeons and the queues are ridiculous for DPS, especially if you play off-peak.

What's more, there are jobs that I feel really shaky with in group content but I still want to play through the fantasy of being that job in the story. Being shaky in the few mandatory instances and picking up your skills organically is one thing but being forced to do it over and over just to have the privilege to play the story as that class is another.

Yes I could make an alt character but Square Enix thinks alts are evil and does everything in their power to make it an unattractive prospect. I thought the whole point was that we could leave alt characters behind and truly focus on one character.

Finally, why can't we have fun levelling alt jobs? There are a million guides out there telling you the most efficient and mind numbing way to do it but none of it is actually fun when you do the same thing over and over. The story is long enough and diverse enough that even if you start the whole process over when you are done, it will still feel fresh unlike everything else and for most players, it will take FAR longer than any of the other methods so again I really don't see the issue.

If there are ways to exploit the system then fix them individually. Don't spoil it for everyone playing through the story naturally.

I'm so disappointed and I hope they reconsider before ARR is released as NG+

[SturmChurro]

I wouldn't want to do new game plus even with rewards. As in, even if the rewards were cool, I would skip through everything as much as possible, and speed through instances, to get my rewards... and never think about it again.

[Gruntler]

They don't have rewards in NG+ because they want it to be a pure option that we do only for doing it, not that it's something that we do because we feel we need to to get the reward.

They don't want people to feel like they HAVE to do it; look at people who ground trusts because it had a reward and HATED doing it. NG+ exists for its own sake, and while having a reward in it would be nice, I'm not going to be sad because I can't use it as a levelling tool in a game where there's no shortage of levelling tools.

[Windwalker]

New game + is excellent for people who used story skip and leveling potions, they can go back and look trough what they missed. I personally am interested in the story and remembering is hard if you go on a long hiatus without playing. Im waiting though for them to add ARR again, been a long time since i went trough it and i don't really remember much of what happened back then.

[LaylaTsarra]

i haven't really explored it yet although what the cursory look of it it appears you have to do an entire story segment. I was hoping there would be an option to simply play certain instanced battles over again without having to run much story.

[Malmstrom]

They don't have rewards in NG+ because they want it to be a pure option that we do only for doing it, not that it's something that we do because we feel we need to to get the reward.

They don't want people to feel like they HAVE to do it; look at people who ground trusts because it had a reward and HATED doing it. NG+ exists for its own sake, and while having a reward in it would be nice, I'm not going to be sad because I can't use it as a levelling tool in a game where there's no shortage of levelling tools.

>.> there is a reward? Guess I know what I'm doing next.