"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Kemiko]

When NG+ was announced initially, wasn't it announced in the "can replay the story at max level"? Am I misremembering? When I saw that NG+ wouldn't have quest rewards I shrugged and was like, "Well, yeah. You're already max and I don't need my inventory filled with old gear just to splat on the markerboard to devalue it worse than expansion launches already do". I admit I wouldn't mind gil rewards at least, to replenish the amount spent just teleporting around but I guess this is incentive to actually enjoy the scenery whenever I'm replaying the story.

I'd appreciate, and expect, some reward for completing NG+ at least. An achievement, a title, a trinket connected to a NPC prominent in that portion of the MSQ or something. But the quests themselves? I was expecting only gil rewards but not getting those won't stop me from enjoying it.

[Fynlar]

It just be another worthless add on that I will never use. If want see old quest I would re watch them at the inn.

The inn is missing many cutscenes, not to mention the solo instanced fights which is what many people wanting NG+ want anyway.

[Rannie]

A good example of a missing cutscene from the inn, is the one where ryne and y'shtola is talking to us about how we are feeling. We have three options to choose from, the top I dont remember the second one is telling them we are fine (the one I picked and got reamed by Y'shtola about) and the third option was saying "Yes Mother". I want to replay that as MY Rannie, I want to try the other options to see what is said. I know I can go to Garlond tools and read it or see how funny the reaction to yes mother is at TVtropes but I want to experience it on my main not on my alt. It's those little things that make it worthwhile to me and to others. Does everyone agree? Nope. Do I expect everyone to agree? Nope. Will I hope that those who disagree understand each other and not discount what others are saying? Yes.

Btw I'm saying this again I could care less if NG + has rewards or not.

[hasana]

I think we should remove the character creation we wouldn't want a bot to abuse it and create a character

[Enla]

I think we should remove the character creation we wouldn't want a bot to abuse it and create a character

Except in this game when bots find an exploit they often ruin the gameplay for others. Or are we just ignoring the fact that they shut down access to the East Shroud on more than one server because it was a good place for the program to farm? Even with all the server advancements SE has made it would not be hard to imagine another Raubahn Savage happening with the most profitable MSQ quests if the botters decide to program around them and flood their instances.

[Noitems]

I'll be totally honest reading through all this stuff, if you're not going to use it and it's not going to bother your gameplay experience why complain about it so adamantly?

Reminds me of the argument Jim Sterling used when people complained about Dark Souls having an easy mode. It was legit "Is this going to affect YOUR gameplay experience if other people have the option to use it? No? Then there's no actual reason for you to complain."

Except this argument is even more ridiculous since this is just giving people the option to replay the old content to experience the reward of the story. That in itself should be all you need, instead of leveling a new character through the beginning just to experience the same content you've already completed on your main. The same frustration of being level locked out of completing a MSQ related dungeon or not being a high enough level to complete a quest.

I know people are upset that it doesn't give any EXP (gil for obvious reasons) but let's be honest if you were going to level that job anyway through normal means the EXP you get from NG+ wouldn't be enough to progress far and you would still be level locked out of completing content anyway just plowing through the MSQ.

[Voltyblast]

I'll be totally honest reading through all this stuff, if you're not going to use it and it's not going to bother your gameplay experience why complain about it so adamantly?

Because it's using resources that could've been spent for improving actual content that could use more refining - like blue mage needing a proper overhaul for example.

So people are essentially asking for making it more worthwhile for EVERYONE and not just those niche players who really REALLY want to replay the story without replaying the story (from the start), by adding a few rewards like exp or even glamour so that EVERYONE would take something from it while the niche players, who REALLY want to replay the story, will replay the story.

This reminds me of when they released Verminion back in 3.1: it was advertised as a big content release but not only it died almost instantly due to the fact it required to sacrifice your dungeon queue for another queue, it was mainly a minigame for those who collect pets and nothing more. If you didn't care about pets you probably never cared about verminion, and yet it took a big chunk of resources that could've been used to make diadem worthwhile for more than 24 hours, before they nerfed it to worthless levels.

I just hope this little niche feature won't make POTD 3.0 and Eureka 2.0 a broken mess and delayed because of time constraints, or worse.

PS: Dark Souls is an offline game and FFXIV is an MMORPG, two different genres entirely: I'd compare FFXIV to SWTOR instead, as both rely on storytelling too.

[Noitems]

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This isn't really big worthwhile content though. Really all they need to do is just rewrite the script for putting you into each chapter and just plop you in like that. The fact they're retooling the ARR MSQ and planning it work along with NG+ is pretty big as that's going to affect new players coming in and stream lining the experience.

As I stated before you don't really need to do that though. Current options through rous and dungeons are eons better then the experience the MSQ would give you at that level if it offered them. I know people want to die on this hill it should have bonuses but I don't get a bonus for playing a visual novel again completely past seeing the minor options and leisure of it all, which NG+ is being advertised as just reliving the story. I'm using a visual novel as a main point as well since you keep bringing up the story, and with NG+'s main feature being the story it seems like a good comparison.

Another point I see and want to ask, did SE at any point say you would actually get any rewards from these NG+ runs? They said you could redo the quests but I don't remember them ever saying you would get anything past the story That's just putting out expectations for SE because YOU think it would happen only to be angry they didn't meet them.

I wouldn't really compare a mode (or limited job) with brand new assets/ huge amounts of scripting to a mode that is just letting you replay the story again with minor scripting. NG+ is easy to update as it's just like pressing a reset button while you're in the mode, adding brand new elements and balances are asking for a lot more then making your slate clean which a big part of the reason Verminion never gets updated (on top of the lacking playerbase). By comparison Mahjong (something people thought was a worthless addition) still gets updated because it's easy to do and is just simply adjusting score values that are set in stone because of the game it is.

The reason I use Dark Souls is because Dark Souls is a JRPG, just like XIV is an MMOJRPG. It doesn't matter if the game is online or not the fact is both games have optional modes you're not being forced into doing, yet people want to make a big stink over it because of ridiculous reasons and claim that they are completely worthless since they don't suit them.

For the record I'm okay with calling SE out on their BS for things that make sense (Housing, Eureka future proofing, botting), this whole argument doesn't do that though. You're putting your own words in their mouths and then being angry they aren't parroting them back to you. It's just a simple mode to let people re-enjoy the story either solo or with friends, it doesn't deserve the absolute hate you're giving it.

[Melichoir]

Really all they need to do is just rewrite the script for putting you into each chapter and just plop you in like that.

I want to suggest that this might not be a simple "Let me throw in a few lines of code and everything will be cool" solution.

From what is generally said about coding, if its older, coding changing parts of it becomes extremely difficult because of the things connected to it. So they build code on top of the old code rather than modifying it, overtime just creating a mountain of code on code on code. If this is the case (which it might very well be), they probably have to not only write code for the interface, but also create new code that overrides the old code without breaking the MSQ as it currently is, and then testing against this. From my PoV, this isnt a one day thing. Its probably been something theyve been investing into doing for a while.

To me, I dont think that this was a low effort ordeal, but something that consumed a bit of time and effort to implement. It just seems low effort because of how conceptually straight forward it is.

Edit: To clarify my point - MSQ is a linear set of quests that affect places you can go, NPC locations, what you can interact with, so on so forth. Much of the general game is built on a basic concept of "X has be done before Y, and Y before Z." Allowing you to go back to X would have the game start saying "Well if youre doing X, Y and Z cant be done yet." Make that more complicated with the fact you have to allow it to run in tandem with where your current MSQ progress is. Point is I feel like its not a simple "Unflag quest and let me repeat it". It has to be done without breaking the game as is. And that is the crux of the issue, particularly if you have to make sure it doenst mess up the mountain of code that exists between this and the original code.

[Voltyblast]

This isn't really big worthwhile content though. Really all they need to do is just rewrite the script for putting you into each chapter and just plop you in like that. The fact they're retooling the ARR MSQ and planning it work along with NG+ is pretty big as that's going to affect new players coming in and stream lining the experience.

You know there's already a MSQ roulette right? Why not just do it with that? Why not let it allow to replay those solo fights and even do the cutscene before and after? Why all this fuss for a ng+ when they could just rework what already exists and limit the cost?
I'm not really bothered about a ng+, im just annoyed that resources being used for a feature that will be very niche.

As I stated before you don't really need to do that though. Current options through rous and dungeons are eons better then the experience the MSQ would give you at that level if it offered them. I know people want to die on this hill it should have bonuses but I don't get a bonus for playing a visual novel again completely past seeing the minor options and leisure of it all, which NG+ is being advertised as just reliving the story. I'm using a visual novel as a main point as well since you keep bringing up the story, and with NG+'s main feature being the story it seems like a good comparison.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here: no i don't have to do it, but having the option to do it for rewards wouldn't be painful and it would make everyone happy: you get to replay your story, I get extra exp (maybe a challenge for revisiting X amount of story too, could be done!)
As it is ng+ is just for you and you only and nobody else, which is also FINE if it didn't draw resources from improving content that ACTUALLY needs to be taken care of, so "pray forgive me" for asking that a peasant like me could do it for other reasons.
And again, MSQ already exists and could be reworked for the same reason, with practically zero effort, and even though VN have absolutely no sense in this topic as they're not the same genre - I did bring up SWTOR so why did you disregard it? - in VN you replay the story for unlocking new paths and unlocking new endings, which is their main reason for having a "NG+", same for many rpgs nowadays (like how I replayed trails of cold steel for finishing the game with each classmate)
How many endings and paths does FFXIV allow you to go through? Exactly.

I wouldn't really compare a mode (or limited job) with brand new assets/ huge amounts of scripting to a mode that is just letting you replay the story again with minor scripting.

Fair enough, although BLU is a more accessible and approachable feature that a new player can have from the start as they can played from level one - and I do personally feel about it because I loved BLU when I started it but it's so mind-numbingly bad in conception that I don't even care about the new class update since it will die in a week.
On the other hand you got a story that I'm fairly certain a good bunch of people will skip in order to play the game...although I can't say really because there's no numbers of people who actually follow the story and who don't. I just finished ARR for the first time in 6 years and I don't have any problem believing that many would rather skip it up until that.

TL;DR, What I'm trying to say is, BLU is a more accessible feature than 6 trillion quests.

And about mahjong, does anyone really play it? I ask because I know it's a well known and very played game...in asia and japan, which makes me wonder why not chess? Is chess not famous enough worldwide? Or they just don't care again? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The reason I use Dark Souls is because Dark Souls is a JRPG, just like XIV is an MMOJRPG. It doesn't matter if the game is online or not the fact is both games have optional modes you're not being forced into doing, yet people want to make a big stink over it because of ridiculous reasons and claim that they are completely worthless since they don't suit them.

Then why not bring up SWTOR just like I mentioned? They're the perfect games for the comparison as both are heavily story-driven, both are MMORPGs, both have the same combat style and everything. Only thing that SWTOR doesn't have is a ng+, which is actually a pity because the game has different choices you can make which change certain quest paths and things later. Nothing too complex but it's nice to be able to play a good sith or a bad jedi and being able to choose a different path from the usual "kill kill kill!"
How many paths and choices does FFXIV have? Yep, you guessed it right!

For the record I'm okay with calling SE out on their BS for things that make sense (Housing, Eureka future proofing, botting), this whole argument doesn't do that though. You're putting your own words in their mouths and then being angry they aren't parroting them back to you. It's just a simple mode to let people re-enjoy the story either solo or with friends, it doesn't deserve the absolute hate you're giving it.

I don't hate what I don't care, and frankly I don't care about this feature existing - even though, you know, msq roulette exists ALREADY?!. I only want it to be more approachable and accessible to everyone, and giving a few rewards isn't really a bad deal as it gives a reason for non-story followers to do them for a little bit of rewards - and redoing some of those solo fights, which aren't all bad - and those story followers to, well, follow the story again.

If this means I'm hating then i dunno, just give me a better BLU and a possible better Eureka that doesn't make me throw up and I'm cool: you keep your stuff, I get improved stuff.
But if it doesn't, then someone, somewhere, is going to be blamed!

Omg! its not actual content because "It doesnt fit my narrow perception of what content is."

Got it, as long as you get your stuff, you don't care if the rest of the content is broken, delayed or unfinished. Fair enough I guess.