"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[Voltyblast]

Seeing how the MSQ skip has a giant Gold medal with the number 1 on it, I'm thinking not as many as you think. The story is good, but out of the millions of players, not many want to replay it for the sake of replaying it. If it gave XP I see people using it to lvl up other jobs.

Well, after just finishing ARR story for the first time since I started 6 years ago, I do see a good reason to use the skip at least for that one, so I wouldn't be surprised that a good bunch do skip ARR because of its quality.
Can't say for HW or SB because I have just started: everyone say it's the best story ever and whatnot but I will see it for myself. I'm going expecting the worse so that I am prepared for it.

However after playing ARR and slogging through it, I'm starting to feel really bad for those old RPGs that I quit because I found their stories bad...hmm, excuse me but I have some old rpgs to make amends with.

[monk-dps]

Seeing how the MSQ skip has a giant Gold medal with the number 1 on it, I'm thinking not as many as you think. The story is good, but out of the millions of players, not many want to replay it for the sake of replaying it. If it gave XP I see people using it to lvl up other jobs.

I don't think level skips are proof for your statement. I'm willing to bet a good chunk of people who skip aren't even new players but people making alts to play with friends on other servers.

[KyreneV]

I think they should always reward the apropiate amount of experience and even gil. This goes beyond if a new system is targeted or not to all players, it's just a basic concept for a MMORPG when you ask the player to invest time in any activity.

So while the main purpose of this feature is to replay the MSQ for the story (and that's a reward already if you really like it), the time invested while doing it should always be rewarded in a practical way, and that means experience, even if it's not the same amount as the first time you did it.

And i'm not even saying that it should become an efficient alternative to level other jobs, but it certainly should be an option to add variety to that process.

[Enla]

I think they should always reward the apropiate amount of experience and even gil. This goes beyond if a new system is targeted or not to all players, it's just a basic concept for a MMORPG when you ask the player to invest time in any activity.

So while the main purpose of this feature is to replay the MSQ for the story (and that's a reward already if you really like it), the time invested while doing it should always be rewarded in a practical way, and that means experience, even if it's not the same amount as the first time you did it.

And i'm not even saying that it should become an efficient alternative to level other jobs, but it certainly should be an option to add variety to that process.

Here's the issue with that, bots. If you add any easy to do, recurring way to earn exp or let alone gil the botters will automatically flock to it with drool dripping down their maws. It's what happened with Frontlines when they introduced exp rewards and there was rarely a match that went by where a good chunk of your team either A. Wasn't running around in circles or B. Intentionally zerging a path to the middle of Shatter to die because even third place was worthwhile. The development team had to nuke the experience offered to a pittance of what they initially were giving us because of them - as well as implement a harsh AFK timer. If any rewards are given for this feature they need to be minuscule and in all honesty at that point it's just better /not/ to tempt fate. At least not while SE seems incapable of handling the bots as they currently seem to be.

Not everything needs a carrot anyways and not every piece of content needs to be rewarding for an individual. I can't stand Eureka and consider it's time investment to be not in any way worth it, but that's okay. It wasn't made for me and I just find other ways to occupy my time.

[Kaiserdrache]

Personally I wont use it, I find its a terrible waste of ressources that should have been put into projects, that really would improve the game, like reworking all ARR maps to bigger full 3D maps, able to fly in them, with added new content to revitalize ARR maps, that turn more n more into ghost maps of nobody doing fates, especially not fate bosses

Fates should get contstantly replaced in a certain time cycle, to keep the maps fresh n interesting to revisit them.
The feature is misleading, what we get is no NG+, but in fact just a chapter based Replay/Chronicles Mode, that spares us to create extra new character n start as Lvl 1, when its just comfortable to get level n gear synced all the way with your endgame equipment, never having to woory about being ever undergeared.

But I dont thunk, that this game really neccessarily needs for ability to replay old cont an extra game mechanic, when you get the same experiencd again with making a new character, thats why I think this Pseudo NG+ will be completely pointless and obsolete, alot of time, money n manpower wasted for a feature that maybe less than 5% of the community will ever use, if there is absolutely no incentivation to the player to do so, just reliving the story again is NONE, people were able to do that for years with new characters already, just only not with the convienient ability to choose directly, which part of the game by chapter they want to replay, with new character it meant just, you get the full deal, or nothing.


NG +, uhm sorry - Replay Mode can be taken by me only serious, if it would provide something, that is more than just being able to replay old content.

It should offer:

- Exp again from Quests n MSLonly as reward, with like 100% Bonus, therefore no Gil, no Items, no Gear Stuff, just only increased exp, fore those who want to level alts faster.
- A title maybe for having replayed once completely a certain part of the game, ARR, HW, SB, SH, and for having replayed once the whole game to current plot end, lets say Storyteller/Historian/Hero Titles based on those story segments being replayed at least once.
- Special earnable Glamours of Weapons n Gear for having replayed fully either ARR (Gaius Weapon/Armor), HW (Estinien's Bloodred Dragoon Gearset), SB (Lyses CG trailer Weapon/Dress) or SH ( Y'shtola's Blackmage Staff/Dress with Hood) from the SH CG of the expansion's trailer CG.
- Some unique TT Cards, Pets n Mounts to receive as one time rewards for replaying completely the game for the first time, like for example a Phoenix Card for ARR, an alternate Estinien Card that shows him in his Past HW Gear for HW, a Papalymo Card for SB that shows him in his last moments, and an Emet Selch/ Hades Card for SH ect, just makibg examples for cards only now here.

[ForteNightshade]

I will say something: the ability to replay the whole story was always there. All anyone needed to do is to create a new character. Just because of that I don't understand the point of new game+

I can only speak for myself, however I have very little desire to replay ARR. I also wasn't the biggest fan of Stormblood; more specifically the Ala Mhigo arc. Now if I only want to re-experience Shadowbringers, I have a very lengthily grind ahead or I'm out $50. Furthermore, this alt has none of my glamours and may not have access to them since many are raid drops or from the cash shop. On top of all that, The Unending Journey does not have every single cut scene and offers no means of redoing story battles like the level 50 Dark Knight encounter.

It should offer:

- Exp again from Quests n MSLonly as reward, with like 100% Bonus, therefore no Gil, no Items, no Gear Stuff, just only increased exp, fore those who want to level alts faster.
- A title maybe for having replayed once completely a certain part of the game, ARR, HW, SB, SH, and for having replayed once the whole game to current plot end, lets say Storyteller/Historian/Hero Titles based on those story segments being replayed at least once.
- Special earnable Glamours of Weapons n Gear for having replayed fully either ARR (Gaius Weapon/Armor), HW (Estinien's Bloodred Dragoon Gearset), SB (Lyses CG trailer Weapon/Dress) or SH ( Y'shtola's Blackmage Staff/Dress with Hood) from the SH CG of the expansion's trailer CG.
- Some unique TT Cards, Pets n Mounts to receive as one time rewards for replaying completely the game for the first time, like for example a Phoenix Card for ARR, an alternate Estinien Card that shows him in his Past HW Gear for HW, a Papalymo Card for SB that shows him in his last moments, and an Emet Selch/ Hades Card for SH ect, just makibg examples for cards only now here.

See, how you're forcing people who otherwise were content not redoing the story to go through it again if they happen to fancy collecting titles, mounts or glamour. Why does it need rewards when the entire purpose of NG+ is re-experiencing the story? If that alone doesn't interest you, then the feature was never intended for you. It's the equivalent of asking for a story or "easy" mode version of Ultimate because it's content you wouldn't touch otherwise despite it being designed exclusively for those seeking a challenge. And no offense, but I find it a bit amusing you think they would put any of those items or outfits in the game for free. Those will find their way onto the cash shop because SE likes money.

As for your mention of ARR. That would actually be a waste of resources. Not only is it a monumental undertaking; Yoshida citing it would require them essentially rebuilding all of the zones from the ground up. You want to funnel people back to content six years old when it could be put to use in Shadowbringers. Contrary to what people seem to think, coding New Game+ likely requires very little in terms of resources. All they need to do is have a system which unchecks the flag for your MSQ completion upon accessing the NG+ menu. That's significantly less work than redesigning whole zones.

Seeing how the MSQ skip has a giant Gold medal with the number 1 on it, I'm thinking not as many as you think. The story is good, but out of the millions of players, not many want to replay it for the sake of replaying it. If it gave XP I see people using it to lvl up other jobs.

Yes... to skip all of the cut scenes and have a hilariously easy, overpowered means of speed leveling. Which kinda defeats the entire point of NG+.

That gold medal only means more people have bought that recently than any other item. We have no idea how many have actually sold though. It could be as little as 500 skips if the next closest item is at 499, well the jump potion will get a medal. Regardless, people typically buy those to rush an alt for end game purposes. I know plenty of raiders who do enjoy the story but due to wanting to tackle end game quickly, skip everything and eventually go back on an alt. This feature very much appeals to them since they can enjoy the story at their own pace without it interfering with their end game.

[Tsalmaveth]

*laughs in 'if it doesn't give me goodies then I don't think it is worth it'*

Lawd... You don't even KNOW if it is just 5% of the audience. You're PURELY shooting from the hip in order to put it down. To belittle it in the best way you can. You don't know the metrics AT ALL. You're not sitting over in Japan with the developers, you don't know what they see. How in the WORLD would you know the numbers? You don't. You're guessing and you're doing it badly.

Look, if the feature isn't giving you what you want, that's FINE. It isn't for you. But that doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile for the rest of us. The whole point of this feature was to allow people to replay the story on their main characters... for the story. It's a sad fact that they had to lure people back into doing the MSQ roulette to help new players with huge bonuses and then punish them when they were skipping ahead and refusing to let those new players watch the story by forcing the cut scenes with the 'no skip' thing. NOT putting all the goodies into this feature is very intended I would think... and if you want to know why? Look at what happened with the MSQ Roulette. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ People would rush in and get their toys and then never touch it again, wouldn't they? That's not the intended purpose of this entire thing. And that's ok.

[SerLuke]

Seeing how the MSQ skip has a giant Gold medal with the number 1 on it, I'm thinking not as many as you think. The story is good, but out of the millions of players, not many want to replay it for the sake of replaying it. If it gave XP I see people using it to lvl up other jobs.

Okay so let me get this straight, your argument is that only 3 or 4 people want the New Game+ feature because ... the story skip is popular on Mog station?

[Machi_Machiavelli]

Okay so let me get this straight, your argument is that only 3 or 4 people want the New Game+ feature because ... the story skip is popular on Mog station?

Among other things. Like the issue with people skipping the MSQ roulette, SE reworking MSQ, etc. Yes, the majority will not use NQ+ simply because they love the story.

[ForteNightshade]

Among other things. Like the issue with people skipping the MSQ roulette, SE reworking MSQ, etc. Yes, the majority will not use NQ+ simply because they love the story.

Just like a majority will not:

- Complete all or even half the side-quests
- Complete Savage
- Complete Ultimate
- Unlock or level Crafters
- Unlock or level Gathers
- Unlock or level all combat jobs
- Unlock or level Blue Mage
- Unlock Perform
- Partake in Gold Saucer mini-games
- Partake in PvP
- Grind for mounts or minions
- Obtain a relic

I could continue for quite a while. Not every feature is intended for everyone. Hence why this is a theme park MMO. It simply needs to be worth the time dedicated. Considering NG+ likely did not cost much in terms of resources based on it necessitating nothing new beside some backend coding. It's inclusion has no bearing on you or those disinterested in it.