"New game plus - quests will have no rewards..."

[dragonkyn20]

I'm a little confused. I must have played different MSQ than everyone else... As storylines go, FF14 is lackluster at best. The story of FF14 MSQ is about as exciting as the story for the 1987 FF.

Different strokes for different folks though.

You must've missed all the praise Shadowbringer's story was getting. Heavensward's narrative was also very well received.

[Tsalmaveth]

Some things are not for some people.

Over here, we have Savage content... which parsers are HAPPY to inform 'underperformers' where they do not belong.

And on this side, we have ULTIMATE for those hardcore players that really want to test their mettle.

And if we look to this side of the ride, we have almost every single other area of the game that provides exp, rewards, shinies... ways to 'progress' that players bulldoze their way through in a never-ending quest to 'advance'.

And this new area? Oh, this area is for players who wish to go back and experience something called 'Story'.

[dragonkyn20]

I don't care one way or another if NG+ comes with rewards. I just want to replay the multiple solo instances that the Unending Journey doesn't allow you to do. This game already has way too many options to gain experience as it is.

[Makeda]

Not having any rewards, if that is correct, means the only people doing it will be the people who watch the cutscenes and read the text. And I highly suspect that is who it is aimed at anyway.

[Shougun]

Honestly I like rewards with my stuff that I do, I know it's all part of that addicting experience but "do it just for the fun of it" often only works for me if I think it's REALLY REALLY fun. So I'd do a lot less things in this game otherwise. A lot of stuff is fun, not saying the game is bad- just "progression" is part of makes fun really fun (for me) and without growth which I find fun then it's got to be amazingly good gameplay experience, like some jobs are not as fun as other jobs (to me) but I like leveling them up to collect the achievements and just to progress it (because it has feedback of growth).

I'm for rewards to stuff even if the concept of their creation is to cater to a specific audience. That said I can see a lot of issues with leaving the MSQ new game+ for certain rewards (probably larger issue for bots and gil or of course huge issue if they added the fantasia). . . That's what I thought it could be a really fun hype pre-expansion event where the new game plus mechanic rewards players based on progress through the system (like at each bracket you complete, once, you get some fairly big reward- like a huge pile of exp and something). This way players would be encouraged to recall the events for the next game, and for those who wanted to do msq again but didn't want to "waste their time" not progressing could also progress. I know it might sound sad but that's really the truth of it for many people, it's why I use boss examples sometimes- "would you rather do it the fast way or the more fun way" and so many will pick the fast way even if they might say it's less fun (like skipping whole sections of dungeons because we gotta go fast).

There will be a number of players who will do it because they /love/ whatever content, you could remove all rewards, you could even make it cost them something to enter and they'd still do it but those people I think are going to be a lot smaller group than if you had also included the carrot as sad as that may sound to some people. Carrot has some serious power :P. And again I admit having rewards in the msq, at least outside of one time reward event or something, could lead to potential issues of botting or ignoring other intended means of playing the game (so I'm not saying go forward with wild abandon, but something that could be a nice looking into even if it's just an event occasionally). Beyond that I also expect this system to help add value to some other future system, at least I get that feeling it's going to be incorporated into some future experience for a later expansion.

We used to have PvP rewards. Doing more PvP got you more abilities, stats, and gear that had morale to boost PvP damage.
But they removed it so it would be more acessable to new players. Apparently it was unfair for new PvPers to compete against those who worked hard for PvP rewards. Then they removed most abilities from PvP so it would be easier for new players to pick up. Then they added cosmetic non PvP rewards so more players would play it. PvP has already been completely ruined by squeenix so more PvErs would play it, but all that happened was that PvErs complained because, at the end of the day, they still hate it. Whilst making PvP completely unappealing for those who DO like PvP.

Personally I don't like gear factoring into PvP and I like PvP. I wouldn't mind more skills either (that are default available or picked from the list, not level obtained), or perhaps some other rpg-ish content added to pvp (could imagine something along the lines of your squadron, since that's also GC related). But I like the balance that a veteran of pvp is equal to a new player except for their own potential skill.

[NessaWyvern]

Personally I don't like gear factoring into PvP and I like PvP. I wouldn't mind more skills either (that are default available or picked from the list, now level obtained), or perhaps some other rpg-ish content added to pvp (could imagine something along the lines of your squadron, since that's also GC related). But I like the balance that a veteran of pvp is equal to a new player except for their own potential skill.

Herein lies the problem I guess. Can't have PvP rewards or it would be unfair to new players entering PvP,
And we can't have "non-PvP" rewards (cosmetics) without PvErs getting their knickers in a twist because they want those rewards, but they don't want to do PvP.

Squeenix removed the stats and ability PvP rewards, so they had to put in other rewards, or else you wouldn't get anything for doing PvP.
TBH, I personally don't like that people get mad over cosmetic rewards in PvP, yet cosmetic rewards in PvE content is just fine for them.

[Scintilla]

The introduction of NewGame+ is an update I've been very much looking forward to, if only to have the opportunity to complete the ShB story again. I would probably do much of the HW MSQ again too. The lack of rewards and EXP don't deter me in the slightest, I'd be more than happy to replay those sections of the MSQ again purely for the story.

What people wanted was to level new jobs while enjoying the story again. Cause that is what people enjoy. That the devs were this blind to it is shocking to me. Maybe some would, but i can guarantee that most wouldn't. The point of mmo's is to progress your character. If you don't understand that i dunno what to tell you. Your view is that much tilted.

And this thread proves i was right? Lots of people came here to express their disappointment. I know there are people who will be happy with just replaying the story. But do you know that that is not everyone?

Some people will have wanted NG+ to be an additional method of obtaining EXP and will be, understandably, disappointed. Other people will be perfectly content to use it solely to be able to experience the story in all of its detail again. The views of both being shown throughout the thread. As of yet, it can't be argued with complete confidence that either of those viewpoints are in a significant majority.

Are you this ok with denying others a feature they could enjoy? Why?
If that is the case, and i have my doubts, then what exactly is your problem? If the exploit is happening already having new game + give XP rewards would change absolutely nothing. So, again, why are you adamant in denying people a feature they could enjoy?

Whilst I’ve only quickly skimmed through the thread, I’ve only seen previous posters explaining possible reasons as to why such rewards were removed. Is that ‘adamantly denying people a feature they could enjoy’?

Honestly the biggest waste of resources i have ever seen in an mmo feature. The things that could've been done instead of this.

Because the feature hasn’t been delivered in the way that you wished it, you deem it to be unnecessary and a total waste of resources, despite many players here posting that it is a feature they eagerly anticipate. That is your opinion (an opinion shared, no doubt) and one that you’re perfectly entitled to have. However, others have just as much right to express their opinion that the removal of rewards/EXP was necessary.

I could tell you the same. They already had an option for that by rolling a new character though. This is the option of doing the story again on the same character and it's completely pointless. Yeah, some people might do some parts for a refresher. But, it's not about not being for everyone, it's about being for almost no one.

Completing the MSQ again with a new character isn’t an option for many, myself included. Despite wanting to replay parts of HW and now ShB, I didn’t have the time or motivation to complete the entire ARR MSQ again each time, reach the quest section I want, complete it, then have to restart all over again if I ever wanted to re-do or catch up on another section in future.
As others have already mentioned, not all cutscenes and dialogue are available at the Inn. Watching videos of other players completing the MSQ isn’t an option for everyone; seeing another player's WoL in the cutscenes can be quite a distraction. Some players may want to redo sections of the MSQ alongside friends new to the game, without needing to create a completely new character. Others may want to check different dialogue options. There’s lots of reasons why this will be an attractive feature for many, with or without EXP.

[KadaRemnant]

The introduction of NewGame+ is an update I've been very much looking forward to, if only to have the opportunity to complete the ShB story again. I would probably do much of the HW MSQ again too. The lack of rewards and EXP don't deter me in the slightest, I'd be more than happy to replay those sections of the MSQ again purely for the story.





Some people will have wanted NG+ to be an additional method of obtaining EXP and will be, understandably, disappointed. Other people will be perfectly content to use it solely to be able to experience the story in all of its detail again. The views of both being shown throughout the thread. As of yet, it can't be argued with complete confidence that either of those viewpoints are in a significant majority.



Whilst I’ve only quickly skimmed through the thread, I’ve only seen previous posters explaining possible reasons as to why such rewards were removed. Is that ‘adamantly denying people a feature they could enjoy’?

Because the feature hasn’t been delivered in the way that you wished it, you deem it to be unnecessary and a total waste of resources, despite many players here posting that it is a feature they eagerly anticipate. That is your opinion (an opinion shared, no doubt) and one that you’re perfectly entitled to have. However, others have just as much right to express their opinion that the removal of rewards/EXP was necessary.



Completing the MSQ again with a new character isn’t an option for many, myself included. Despite wanting to replay parts of HW and now ShB, I didn’t have the time or motivation to complete the entire ARR MSQ again each time, reach the quest section I want, complete it, then have to restart all over again if I ever wanted to re-do or catch up on another section in future.
As others have already mentioned, not all cutscenes and dialogue are available at the Inn. Watching videos of other players completing the MSQ isn’t an option for everyone; seeing another player's WoL in the cutscenes can be quite a distraction. Some players may want to redo sections of the MSQ alongside friends new to the game, without needing to create a completely new character. Others may want to check different dialogue options. There’s lots of reasons why this will be an attractive feature for many, with or without EXP.

Well said! 100% agree and so happy for new game plus!

[KadaRemnant]

I was waiting for it and i am so happy we'll be able to replay the story again! I love the story! Thank you SE!

[hasana]

I can see why people are upset because some people wanted an alternate way to level up because right now its either grind X/Y or do your daily stuff thanks see you tomorrow.