Thread: BLU MAGE...PATCH 5.1...HMMMMMM?

Originally Posted by Duskane

Im not against but its just Blue has been "no fun allowed anywhere but over world"

Not even the overworld. BLU's dps is so low it takes more than twice as long as other classes to beat FATES and a large majority of boss fates are Death immune. At level 50 it has no applicable purpose in the open world besides two S ranks.
I'm not sure BLU would even be good in PotD in its current state. It'd fail dps checks on the highest floors and its heal is almost ineffective if you get knocked to critical health. RDM is just all round better.

It was basically designed as a Carnival class and nothing else.

Took me 2 days to get BLU to max level, get all the non-primal spells, and complete the Masked Carnival + Perfect Blue title. I haven't touched it since outside of self destructing infront of new players I've introduced for the game.

10 additional levels is just a bandaid on a job that desperately needs to be more than a circus attraction.

Originally Posted by Mansion

TL;DR : make BLU a glorified Gold Saucer mini game and let's stop talking about it as a "job"

BLU was presented as a job not a glorified gold saucer mini game. If Square wanted a monster mini game they could have simply implemented something like the monstrosity mini-game from FF11. The fact of the matter is that once you unlock all the spells there is nothing to really do with this job. I was so excited when I got all my spells then I realized that I had nothing else to do because I completed the carnival in like 2 hours. And let me tell you the carnival isn't as fun as Square made it out to be it's pretty lackluster, so yes I want a bit of restrictions removed from BLU. There is no reason why a BLU with all their spells can't be balanced to atleast do roulettes, heck if raids is the issue just keep them out of raids but atleast let me play the other 80% of game as BLU.

And for those that defend this limited design, please be honest with yourselves how often have you used BLU since it launched...

Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

and its heal is almost ineffective if you get knocked to critical health

To be fair, you would have access to those Sustain Potions, though the rest of that is very accurate.

Originally Posted by Brightshadow

BLU was presented as a job not a glorified gold saucer mini game. If Square wanted a monster mini game they could have simply implemented something like the monstrosity mini-game from FF11. The fact of the matter is that once you unlock all the spells there is nothing to really do with this job. I was so excited when I got all my spells then I realized that I had nothing else to do because I completed the carnival in like 2 hours. And let me tell you the carnival isn't as fun as Square made it out to be it's pretty lackluster, so yes I want a bit of restrictions removed from BLU. There is no reason why a BLU with all their spells can't be balanced to atleast do roulettes, heck if raids is the issue just keep them out of raids but atleast let me play the other 80% of game as BLU.

And for those that defend this limited design, please be honest with yourselves how often have you used BLU since it launched...

That's my point. The main mistake was advertising it as a job, even if it's called Limited Job, it still had the effect of rising expectations for players. My TL;DR was meant as a joke, but you get the general idea. Calling it a job was a mistake, and implementing it as it is, that's arguably a missed opportunity to make enjoyable content on a larger scale too.

Have mine at 42 and still haven't touched it. It was fun getting the spells at first but overtime the frustration really sets in. Now that we're reaching level 60 content and BLU is going to be taken into Thordan EX, Sephirot EX, Niddhog EX it's going to be so awful. The spells either need to be completely worth it or there's just no point in even trying.

Originally Posted by Mansion

Cause BLU has no right to be fun!

Joke aside, they seem to keep the same direction for BLU. Now it's difficult to say because we are not in the details yet, but if the major issues in the current BLU design are still there, that would be a complete failure for me. By this I mean :
- Lot of redundant / useless spells for a rotation that boils down to spamming the same spells.
-> Being able to craft a job kit out of a pull of actions for any given fight is quite a good idea in principle. The problem with BLU is that for 50 spells, the essential kit is around 5-6 spells and the other actions are almost only there because they might be used once in a precise Carnivale turn, then shelved and never to be heard of again.
- Walls of RNG to complete the Grimoire (Primals especially)
-> Having to queue for dungeons in a team while BLU was literally advertised as "Designed for solo-play" was weird, and they try to fix that for 5.1. But the early RNG on job quest actions in dungeons was a design failure. Then adding a low drop rate on Primal abilities just to create an artificial endgame is lazy design.
- Boring / stale solo content (Carnivale)
-> Each turn boils down to "what actions to use", once that is solved, there's no enjoyment to re-play those. Even if there are "achievements" for certain uses of spells.
- No rewards for the mini-game that BLU is
-> Poetics and Seals have little to no practical use. At least Gold Saucer mini games reward you with a valuable currency.



TL;DR : make BLU a glorified Gold Saucer mini game and let's stop talking about it as a "job"

Dunno how giving BLU acess to Deep Dungeon is me defending the current state of blu but ok

The most bizarre thing about BLU to me is that it's locked out of a lot of content that would be interesting solo or make easier to solo. Deep dungeons, Diadem, Eureka.

The second most bizarre thing is how weak it is. When I heard solo job, my thought was "can solo raids at level." Instead, it's worse at whatever role it's trying to fill that proper jobs at the same level, unless the enemy is vulnerable to death or self-destruct. Does it even have support buffs that's make it worth taking in a mixed party?

If it doesn't get a lot stronger, it's gonna be real interesting seeing BLUs trying to beat what are imo the three hardest EX fights at level. Crutching on Shire gear I guess?

Originally Posted by Gaethan_Tessula

The most bizarre thing about BLU to me is that it's locked out of a lot of content that would be interesting solo or make easier to solo. Deep dungeons, Diadem, Eureka.

The second most bizarre thing is how weak it is. When I heard solo job, my thought was "can solo raids at level." Instead, it's worse at whatever role it's trying to fill that proper jobs at the same level, unless the enemy is vulnerable to death or self-destruct. Does it even have support buffs that's make it worth taking in a mixed party?

If it doesn't get a lot stronger, it's gonna be real interesting seeing BLUs trying to beat what are imo the three hardest EX fights at level. Crutching on Shire gear I guess?

The issue for this is that BLU doesn't get any weapon damage increases. All the weapons they have only give 1 weapon damage which really kills their ability to do anything since weapon damage does a lot for damage scaling. So if anything at least give BLU weapon damage so they can actually do stuff on acceptable levels.