Allowing Gear Change in Active Mode

[Isaaru]

It's not that it was a problem for me to do, or that I didn't have the gear to do it in XI. The problem is that it's a shitty mechanic that causes more problems than it solves. Battles should be structured in such a way that you're forced to think about things other than what you are wearing to win.

Who said battles wouldn't involved being forced to think about other things than gear swap with the implementation of it? I fail to see any logical reasoning through your argument as to why gear swapping is a hazard to the game. I would also like to hear what these problems are you speak of.

[Nekirr]

It's not that it was a problem for me to do, or that I didn't have the gear to do it in XI. The problem is that it's a shitty mechanic that causes more problems than it solves. Battles should be structured in such a way that you're forced to think about things other than what you are wearing to win.

So what you are saying is that equipment shouldn't be a big part of an mmo to win battles? Then what would be the point of even entering a battle to obtain gear. And the only problems that I hear from people is that it gives inventory problems. When you reach that kind of problem, then you can try and see what gear choices to bring with you are worth it or not. On my Apoc DRK in xi, I carried around 78/80 at all times and that was not every set I could possibly use in every situation. So people that say "OMG I HAD TO CARRY 50 ITEMS FOR ONE JOB", I laugh at them, because those are the people that didn't seem to know what they were doing very well.

[Tacotaru]

Who said battles wouldn't involved being forced to think about other things than gear swap with the implementation of it? I fail to see any logical reasoning through your argument as to why gear swapping is a hazard to the game. I would also like to hear what these problems are you speak of.

I don't care to get involved with that again, but her response to me earlier boiled down to this.

I said nothing of realism, I said it was ridiculous. Personally, it annoyed the crap out of me in XI when party members did it. I don't care if their doing so benefited me and the party, it was annoying as hell.

So it shouldn't be allowed because it's ridiculous, and it's ridiculous because it's annoying. Is that about the sum of it?

Her answer was yes.

[NarikoStar]

Couldn't you just make one well rounded set that took as much time as it took to collect all the sets put together?

It obviously could be done. It would be up to the devs to make the set.
But after seeing all the gear they've released this most recent patch (1.21) It really makes me wonder why gear swapping isn't available or if this is a pre-hint to it (yes I realize the post already made about X to gear swapping but that context to me seems it's in regards to its not allowed because then player's could be wacking away on WAR then switch to WHM while in active if there HP became low.)

I'd be interested to see a restatement if it still remains the same

[Nekirr]

Actually I never really got into XI. Can't really lump me in there lol. The idea is bad though, unless it is built as an intended game mechanic. It's not and according to the devs never will be.

It's another thing to do mid-battle sure but I wouldn't say it's necessarily a positive addition/mechanic. It existed and people learned to rely on it, so much so that it was never removed from the game. It's another crutch honestly. You can't maximize your potential through skill in gameplay so you do it through sheer numbers via gear. It's not something that we should rely on or ever be required to do.

How about we learn to pick a set of gear for a particular fight and stick with it through the entire fight? Play better with just that one set. Do what you can with what you have. Anyone with the gear can do a gearswap and produce results. I'd say the better players are the ones who can produce similar or better results without relying on the gearswaps.

I don't get your point in saying how adding gear swaps(Another thing players will need to focus on during fights, so they will need to have quick reactions and skills to know what they should be doing) is showing that players will have to solely focus on gear to win fights and not their skills. In XI skill and gear went hand in hand. Not one produced the best results, you had to use both to enhance your damage output etc.

[yialee]

let start off with the basic and ask them to let us switch job and our gear change to that job first. What i saying is that when you change from pld to whm your gear change from pld to whm so you dont get nake.

[NarikoStar]

I say no to it and my thf alone had a build for haste, ws, and evasion. My blm by itself nearly takes up all 80 slots of my inventory. If it weren't for the sachel, sack, and inventory all accessible at any time I'd have a hell of a time changing jobs.

I would defiantly agree if it was added space would need to be made a concern. Hopefully though the mannequin system will fix this though.

[Molly_Millions]

So what you are saying is that equipment shouldn't be a big part of an mmo to win battles? Then what would be the point of even entering a battle to obtain gear. And the only problems that I hear from people is that it gives inventory problems. When you reach that kind of problem, then you can try and see what gear choices to bring with you are worth it or not. On my Apoc DRK in xi, I carried around 78/80 at all times and that was not every set I could possibly use in every situation. So people that say "OMG I HAD TO CARRY 50 ITEMS FOR ONE JOB", I laugh at them, because those are the people that didn't seem to know what they were doing very well.

that problems that it creates are manyfold:
1. inventory space issues
2. characters flashing
3. it becomes the norm and people who don't want to do it are "gimped"
4. it's a bad design choice, the reason it was in XI was because of poor stats on gear (a good design choice would be to force players to think about the best gear for their style of play PRIOR to starting battle.)
5. it slows down the pace of battle

[Zantetsuken]

The Class, Materia, Job, and Armory Systems have all created a very different environment from FFXI. Gear swapping, and especially weapon swapping in FFXIV wouldn't just be annoying but it could easily break the game. (remember, they are designing with PvP as well as PvE balance in mind)

The devs nixxed gear swapping in this game early on for a very good reasons. I should hope players would offer suggestions that facilitate and enhance Yoshi's vision for this game, rather than erode it with non-starters.

[Molly_Millions]

The Class, Materia, Job, and Armory Systems have all created a very different environment from FFXI. Gear swapping, and especially weapon swapping in FFXIV wouldn't just be annoying but it could potentially break the game.

The devs nixxed gear swapping in this game early on for a very good reasons. I should hope players would offer suggestions that facilitate and enhance Yoshi's vision for this game, rather than erode it with non-starters.

Indeed, this discussion was really over before it started since we already know what the devs think about it. GEAR SWAPPING MID-FIGHT SUCKS AND WON'T MAKE IT INTO THIS GAME.