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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydin View Post
    Hey... do you remember that one time no one else wanted gear swap but you really did?
    Yay for being a complete dick when someone brings up valid points for why a system could be beneficial instead of refuting what he says with even a moderate amount of intellectual thought. The internet rocks! Just because someone has enough brain power to come up with more than one sentence about a topic doesn't mean they are heavily invested in the idea. I'm not going to stop playing either way but gear swapping has its place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    No man, Yoshi has to cater to his needs regardless of what other people think or what's best for the game.
    Did I say gear swapping was necessary and that everyone else is stupid for thinking otherwise? No, I was simply stating the pros for a system that everyone seems to be ignoring because of the inconvenience of gear swapping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryans View Post
    Yay for being a complete dick when someone brings up valid points for why a system could be beneficial instead of refuting what he says with even a moderate amount of intellectual thought. The internet rocks! Just because someone has enough brain power to come up with more than one sentence about a topic doesn't mean they are heavily invested in the idea. I'm not going to stop playing either way but gear swapping has its place.
    Im sorry... you're right... I was actually being a dick... I'm man enough to admit that....
    I just really dont want gear swapping to be a part of this game... I like the idea of choosing your gear wisely before going into a battle
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryans View Post
    Did I say gear swapping was necessary and that everyone else is stupid for thinking otherwise? No, I was simply stating the pros for a system that everyone seems to be ignoring because of the inconvenience of gear swapping.
    And everyone told you no, because it's obtuse, promotes more elitism than normal, is extremely anti new player, and is just plain not fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryans View Post
    Casters already can switch out gear during combat and you don't see them doing it, do you?
    There has been so little selection of gear anyways that it hasn't even been worth it. Lately though, we've been getting more and more gear that would be considered "situational," and thus this thread pops up.

    As for the rest of your post, I personally prefer having to strategize about which gear would be best for me before starting a fight, weighing the pros and cons between gear, and going with that. With gear swaps, it takes the strategy out because you can just get all the gear for any situation and change to that at any time. There's no need to make these careful decisions anymore if you can use the best for any situation at any time.

    I will agree with you on one point though, in that gear swapping creates more of a reason to utilize a larger selection of the gear available in the game. This is a double edged sword however, in that it also carries the risk of forcibly burdening one's inventory with multiple gear sets per class just to avoid being "gimped." This also makes it much more difficult for casual players to keep up with the bar that will inevitably be set by the community, due to the larger list of "requirements."
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    I think it'd be useful but that would make room for changing weapons from other classes? I didn't play XI. However; if that is the case surely it'd be used to exploit exp from a low level class if you were fighting high levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    And everyone told you no, because it's obtuse, promotes more elitism than normal, is extremely anti new player, and is just plain not fun.
    Thank you for being the first person in the thread to bring up actual problems with gear swapping and not statements like
    Quote Originally Posted by ClearEnd View Post
    i dont want a new game i want everything the exact same way ffxi was
    I can definitely see the downsides of gear swapping but when people are only looking at the negative of an issue, they can easily let something that might be helpful pass them by. Not saying that gear swapping is one of those topics, but it doesn't change the fact that not talking about something doesn't make it go away. I'd rather have an informed community than one that blindly follows their hatred to make decisions.
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    ... That and saying you want a game exactly like XI is obnoxious. If you want a game like XI, go play XI. It's obvious that SE are trying to incorporate some things to XIV from XI whilst adding new and neglecting maybe some of the un-popular features.
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  8. #38
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    Yes please for gear swap, i love it on ffxi and i'll love to see it here too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcell View Post
    Please no gear swapping mid-battle. I've got enough shit to worry about with macros, I don't need another thing. Live with the gear choice you make when you go into battle.
    "Hold on guys! Don't engage yet! Let me just change my pants real quick!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryans View Post
    I'm honestly curious how you think this is in any way different from other MMOs' gear systems. A player is always "gimp" if they don't have the best gear for the situation and its even more obvious how much they are lacking when there is one set of best-in-slot gear.

    Gear changes would make more gear desired by more players because even though it might not be bis, it could be the best parrying body or has the most fire resistance (many more possibilities).

    For example, as blm you can survive hellfire from Ifrit with one nail down but you will have very little hp after. If you could change instantly (Not go all blinky for 30 seconds, many games change gear without a 5 second character disappearance per equipment, I'm sure they could do it the same in 2.0) to a set of gear that would give you fire resistance or an hp set of gear, the player wouldn't have to sacrifice their damage for the entire encounter simply to guarantee the survival of one move.
    Imagine fighting Chimera as a tank. Oh! Lightning is coming, swap to lightning resist. Oh! Ice is coming, swap to ice resist. Oh! Fire is coming, swap to fire resist. Oh, my flash/provoke is up, swap to enmity gear. Oh! My HP is low, swap to healing gear for self heal. What if one day they introduce a boss/mob with all elemental spells, are you telling me that to be optimal/beneficial, you will need every set of resist gears + enmity gear + healing gear? In my honest opinion, gear swapping in mid fight was an extremely broken system that eventually became the norm of a game. I am here for FFXIV, not FFXI-2.

    In addition, to make more gears desired by more players isn't the same as making them carry multiple sets of gears for every possible encounters in a given battle.
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    Last edited by KyrsIsley; 03-22-2012 at 12:13 PM.

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