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    Firon Veleth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Untrue, the difficulty of obtaining gear was another factor. Needing to have multiple gear sets compounded the issue it's true but it wasn't the underlying reason why the content was played for years before becoming obsolete.
    Yes it was, cause if you could not have x piece of gear for every situation people would just get the new best thing and leave it at that. Think about it once a better DD body came out better than kirins body was hardly an reason to do him, but since gear swapping was there ppl still did it cause it was a good macro part for brd.

    Edit: it's also the reason why thf's used Leaping boots for SA/TA macro's for years.
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    Last edited by Firon; 03-23-2012 at 08:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firon View Post
    While i don't want gear swaps back, if people notice it or not, gear swaps was the sole reason FFXI content lasted so long.
    The sole reason? Lol, I fail to see how it was even a reason at all.

    Edit: Actually if I really think about it I could see how that would inspire people to always want a certain piece of gear but whether they used gear swap or not is different issue. The only time I ever really used it was on RDM and Bard and I hated it. I never understood the point of it then and I will never understand it now.
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    With full honesty how many times have you had to weigh one peice of gear to another for any given fight in XIV? There is no real strategy to gear in this game, you can literally get by on one set each job and no one will ever notice. That to me a huge problem, the main goal of any event is gear rewards. If gear rewards are not worth the effort the the event dies and becomes worthless. A flip side of this is crafting gear, it's a rather large effort to take a craft to 50 and if R/E gear is always going to be better then what's the point? XI was great about this since gear swaps allowed some gear to good for niche things so we had a ton of options so there was a balance in gear that dropped from events and gear that needed to be crafted
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    It is the largest factor in why it lasted so long though. If gear was replaced every patch then the event would die as soon as the next one was announced, and that's already happening in XIV. Til AF Darkhold was basically dead, people would only do it once for the clear and never go back. It's still pretty much a waste of an event as you can get AF in one run meaning at max we have an event people will do twice and forget about forever.
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    I'm going to state that I do not like this idea. Among many reasons, inventory space. I'm at 154/200 right now with only three spots taken up for crafting mats - and none of it is random crap (crafting sets, sets for each job, the right jewelery, etc.).

    Also, I seem to recall reading an interview with Yoshi in which he stated that the gearswap macros of XI we're something they never intended for and it just kind of grew too big so they let it slide.

    The system in place is great as it is.

    Neat idea, but I do not like it.
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    The fact is, People who are against gear swapping are just saying that because for some reason they don't like it. When they give reasons why, the people who are for gear swapping disprove those reasons with well stated arguements, yet people still don't think it is a good idea based on pretty much no logical reasoning at all. It's like arguing with a sixteen year old girl who thinks she knows everything, yet she bases her decisions on nothing knowledgable at all.

    "Too much elitism is no good" - I'm sure that's what SE said when they were making this game.
    -"Hey guys, we need to make sure only mediocre players play this game."

    There honestly is no point continuing this because people will still sa the same thing:
    "Don't bring back gear swaps because they are bad", and they still won't have any good reasoning behind that choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekirr View Post
    "Too much elitism is no good" - I'm sure that's what SE said when they were making this game.
    -"Hey guys, we need to make sure only mediocre players play this game."
    Elitism and skillful play aren't necessarily synonymous.
    To be fair... the only reason I need is that I don't want to change gear during fights...

    Its like asking a woman to give you specific reasons why she wont have sex with you
    The only reason she needs is that she doesn't want to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekirr View Post
    The fact is, People who are against gear swapping are just saying that because for some reason they don't like it. When they give reasons why, the people who are for gear swapping disprove those reasons with well stated arguements, yet people still don't think it is a good idea based on pretty much no logical reasoning at all. It's like arguing with a sixteen year old girl who thinks she knows everything, yet she bases her decisions on nothing knowledgable at all.

    "Too much elitism is no good" - I'm sure that's what SE said when they were making this game.
    -"Hey guys, we need to make sure only mediocre players play this game."

    There honestly is no point continuing this because people will still sa the same thing:
    "Don't bring back gear swaps because they are bad", and they still won't have any good reasoning behind that choice.
    Name your reasons in a numbered format and let's see where it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekirr View Post
    The fact is, People who are against gear swapping are just saying that because for some reason they don't like it.
    Already gave multiple points.

    When they give reasons why, the people who are for gear swapping disprove those reasons with well stated arguements,
    Like calling the people who didn't like it in FFXI unskilled? Maybe you should re-read your own posts.

    yet people still don't think it is a good idea based on pretty much no logical reasoning at all. It's like arguing with a sixteen year old girl who thinks she knows everything, yet she bases her decisions on nothing knowledgable at all.
    The irony here is tangible.

    "Too much elitism is no good" - I'm sure that's what SE said when they were making this game.
    They were. They also failed, so they booted Tanaka and brought in someone who also has that same vision of not producing an atmosphere that promotes elitism.

    -"Hey guys, we need to make sure only mediocre players play this game."
    Nobody has ever said that. That's something you just pulled out of your butt right now. How about making some logical points?

    There honestly is no point continuing this because people will still sa the same thing:
    "Don't bring back gear swaps because they are bad", and they still won't have any good reasoning behind that choice.
    They are bad and you were give multiple objective reasons. You threw them all out in favor of whatever personal biases you had for gear swapping, like "if you were even remotely decent in XI, gear swapping shouldn't have been a problem for you."
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