Ready for Nier Dark Apocalypse?

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

The map looks pretty ugly to me.

We haven't really seen a lot of it as is, plus this is only the first part.

Also to be entirely fair, the landscape in Automata is pretty depressing and gloomy in a lot of areas. It's a ruined Earth inhabited only by machines, after all. Anyone who was expecting something fantastical and traditionally beautiful may be disappointed.

[Divinemights]

It would be epic if they can copy the ending credit roll into FF14. The players from previous raid that willing to sacrifice their loot/toke will show up as NPC to assist current raid to defeat the last boss

[TaleraRistain]

No thank you. I heard it's a direct sequel to the ending of one of the games? How is this relevant to FF again? How does this not leave people playing an MMO in another game series NOT out in the cold who haven't played it??

And I hope to the Twelve it doesn't explain anything lore related. I'd rather the lore of FFXIV get explained by...yanno...FFXIV.

[EdwinLi]

No thank you. I heard it's a direct sequel to the ending of one of the games? How is this relevant to FF again? How does this not leave people playing an MMO in another game series NOT out in the cold who haven't played it??

And I hope to the Twelve it doesn't explain anything lore related. I'd rather the lore of FFXIV get explained by...yanno...FFXIV.

This is FFXIV content in a certain point of view.

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Now back on topic:

We don't really know how the Nier content stuff is related to the FF14 world yet. It could be another Shard or could be something from what remains of another civilization before the Sundering created the 13 Shards.

Maybe a Civilization that did not develop well with Magic thus they took Science as their advancement and focus more on developing technology to the point they were able to create androids such as 2B.

[MikuMitsuko]

This is FFXIV content in a certain point of view.

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Now back on topic:

We don't really know how the Nier content stuff is related to the FF14 world yet. It could be another Shard or could be something from what remains of another civilization before the Sundering created the 13 Shards.

Maybe a Civilization that did not develop well with Magic thus they took Science as their advancement and focus more on developing technology to the point they were able to create androids such as 2B.

Please, no. I'd be so, so disappointed and maybe a little peeved if they try to shoehorn some other (not even FF) game into the lore. I don't even know why they're making this, honestly. This isn't 'Nier Automata XIV'.

[EdwinLi]

Please, no. I'd be so, so disappointed and maybe a little peeved if they try to shoehorn some other (not even FF) game into the lore. I don't even know why they're making this, honestly. This isn't 'Nier Automata XIV'.

No one knows what goes on in the minds of someone like Yoko Taro and his endless abyss of madness.

Jokes, aside...

other than just a cross-over, I am assuming they did original have plans for the 5.0 Raid to involve a Ancient Civilization that heavy depended on Science with no influence of Magic within the world to influence their development thus no magic to base technology on like Allagans and Garleans did with Magitek but that may have been basically a FF14 version of a Nier so they just grabbed Nier instead to get a originally planned minicross-over event as something bigger and since it basically was going to be the same plot with FF themed stuff instead of Nier.

It may have been a plot to show how the FF14 world may have turned out if Magic never existed from the beginning but as I said the environment and technology may have ended up being nothing more than just a FF14 version of Nier world or maybe a Post-Apoclypse FF15 world.

[Just-Communication]

I'm super excited if only for the music. In fact, it's one the main reasons I resubbed.

Regardless of whether you like or dislike Nier: Automata, you cannot argue that they've given the game special treatment by making the collaboration a (permanent?) alliance raid instance - to my knowledge no other non-FF collaboration has had this privilege. It either speaks of a large fan demand for this collaboration or that Nier: Automata is highly regarded by some in the FFXIV team.

Other collaborations might have had some unique items or gear but designing an entire raid around a collaboration is no small undertaking (just the music production alone) and the effort put in for a title that's was not even originally tied to FF is incredible.

For better or worse, I'm looking forward to it!

[Iscah]

No thank you. I heard it's a direct sequel to the ending of one of the games? How is this relevant to FF again? How does this not leave people playing an MMO in another game series NOT out in the cold who haven't played it??

And I hope to the Twelve it doesn't explain anything lore related. I'd rather the lore of FFXIV get explained by...yanno...FFXIV.

I'm with you on this. I don't have an issue with crossovers in general, but everything else so far has been small-scale and self-contained. It takes the crossover element (Yokai, Rathalos, etc.) and creates a version of it that is part of the world of FFXIV.

I haven't played Yoko Taro's other games, but from what people have said here and from how he acts in interviews (unless his stage persona is very at-odds with his actual approach to things), I feel like this might be a case of him taking FFXIV and making it part of the world of his game.

Meanwhile, Banri Oda is quietly sobbing in a corner...


If he is trying to integrate FFXIV into his actual story rather than creating a disconnected "Eorzean version" of it, I'm very wary about what this will do to the lore, particularly as I understand that would put the story in the same reality as our Earth - and I really dislike that prospect. I'd much rather it stays in its own fantasy universe with its own laws-of-physics and cosmology.

Even if it's not officially connected, people are going to theorise that it is.

I'm not looking forward to this at all.

Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. I hope so. But for now, I'm dreading it.

Also, it just feels wrong for a non-FF game to get such a starring role here, taking up an entire alliance raid (an ongoing core gameplay mode) rather than a temporary special event - it's a bigger feature than several actual Final Fantasy crossovers have had. What's so special about this one game to get this treatment? Or does it mean we'll have more crossovers like this in future, turning FFXIV from its own thing into a patchwork of bits from other stories? I realise that's what it's already doing with other FF games, but at least there are boundaries and a theme to doing that.

[linay]

How is this relevant to FF again?

It's something that is happening in FFXIV, an FF game.

How does this not leave people playing an MMO in another game series NOT out in the cold who haven't played it??

The same way you don't have to know every backstory of whatever story you're actually experiencing in the game.

And I hope to the Twelve it doesn't explain anything lore related. I'd rather the lore of FFXIV get explained by...yanno...FFXIV.

If it does, it will be, as it will be happening in FFXIV the same way every other regular quest in the game (or it should as it's a raid, don't think they're going to pull it out like Garo). The connection to Nier is a meta thing, not something the story itself has to account for unless it wants to.

[jameseoakes]

Stuff I agree with

Thanks for articulating a lot of thoughts I've been having having on this, something really sits ill with me with a differant game series getting such a prominent role in 14. From what I can see it doesn't look like there been much interest in actually integrating this into 14 and more just about appealing to Nier players and trying to push Nier.