Shadowbringers Feature Lists 9 New Dungeons... I count Eight?

[Eloah]

I'm not sure how to even reply to these responses, and I don't have time to give any torough explanations, since I have to head out. But the short of it is, people are either looking too deeply into things or not deep enough.

On one quick note though, the title, Shadowbringers/Jet-Black Villians, while it can refer to us, it's also an allusion to the Ascians. Think about it, we are returning darkness to a realm of perpetual light; you cant cast a shadow in the dark. But, also remember a Villian is usually determined by the victors, the hero of one tale could be the villian of another. That was the goal, for us to realize that the Ascians weren't as "evil" as we might have first perceived.

Not gonna lie, I loved this expansion, but I was really hoping to be Zodiark's new chosen for a bit and learn both sides of this story ourselves.

But we did. Or did what happen between us and Emet-Selch not count as aligning ourselves with those we perceive as Villian aligned to the darkness.

[Jybril]

We also don't know if there's more to it.
It's just the first patch lol but I do find it funny
how we basically are light, fighting light with light
just to make the light into night.

[Fynlar]

Light Is Not Good has been an aspect of several FF titles by now; 3 was just the first to really throw it into the spotlight and make it a plot point. If you don't keep up with the series, don't be surprised when stuff about one of its latest entries throws you for a loop.

[MeeDeggiThePunisher]

I was expecting more fat cats.

[Eloah]

I think this thread is starting to move past its main premise, or maybe it's right on point, i dunno, that's how confusing it is.

Us being the Warrior of Darkness makes sense in numerous ways, but the easiest way to show it is to tell people to look at how Urianger described Darkness. Darkness on the first was active, ever changing, and full of life, Light on the other hand was stale, stagnant, and devoid of existence. People can say the marketing was a bit "over the top" but it didnt our right lie, it's just a different interpretation than the one we expected.

Also it appears that the opening FMV is meant to show our experiences through our own minds, similar to how when we got transported we saw our past experiences.

[Fynlar]

Have you played FFXIV because in FFXIV, you know the game we are actually playing, the WoD did in fact oppose us.

Have YOU actually played it? Because the story made it pretty clear they were misled by the actual villains and now they're quite firmly on our side.

[AnimaAnimus]

Have YOU actually played it? Because the story made it pretty clear they were misled by the actual villains and now they're quite firmly on our side.

Doesn't mean they were not against us, even up to the final scene they tried to kill Minfilia and it took a promise to get what they wanted, that they were skeptical of, for them to even consider going back to the first with their task on the source incomplete. So they are still WoD because if Min would have failed or have had been lying, of course they would have killed her on the spot when they returned and came back to destroy the WoL, likely with more vigor and determination. A momentary truce does not mean anything.

And it doesn't change the fact that they leaned very heavily on the WoD thing because it made for a better marketing plan and it turned out to be a footnote at best. I am not mad about how they handled the story, I am just saying they were very shady in their marketing for it.

But cant fight a white knight on even the most trivial of things, so you do you dude.

[ZJyn]

Seems like it took four posts for this thread to derail so hard that the train flew off the tracks and into outer space.

Trying to re-rail it: So i'm not nuts? They said nine dungeons and we got eight? Is there a consensus that dungeon nine was the Lost Canals upgrade?

[Fynlar]

Is there a consensus that dungeon nine was the Lost Canals upgrade?

Well, there isn't really anything else it could possibly be, so that's probably what they meant, regardless of whether we think of it as a legitimate "dungeon" or not.

[Fynlar]

Doesn't mean they were not against us,

I never said they weren't ever against us, I was just talking about FF3.

The point is, WoLs and WoDs were never meant to be these drastically opposed forces, just two sides of the same coin working toward the same goal (restoring elemental balance of the world when things get skewed too far in one direction). This is not some sort of secretive plot backpedaling they made up just for SB2, this is literally how it's always been in the FF series. It's not the fault of "the marketing" that you didn't get that memo.