Why is leaching tolerated in MSQ roulette?

[Cabalabob]

Rather than looking at the msq roulette design maybe we should look at why you and some people are acting like that when the other players in the party are playing just fine.

Don't blame the game because you are some kind of bag.

Um, first off I don’t do MSQ roulette because I have better things to do than spend 10% of my subscription time in there everyday. I simply accept that when you put people in content they don’t want to do they’ll not want to do it, it’s not rocket science... so “we should be looking at why players are acting like that” is exactly what I just did... people act like that because it’s bad design.... whether it’s right or wrong is irrelevant, you can’t fix people, but you can fix bad content design.

[Makeda]

No one really cares... 2 non sprouts can duo that place. I actually forget if it has a set iLevel or scales you and you outgear it... more important is that the fight mechanics are 5 years old and we’re used to much more complex fights. So we can run circles around those bosses and when that happens, folks stop caring if their carrying half the people.

Honestly I prefer it if they’re AFK. I like to play the game not breeze through it. The more people AFK the more work I have to do, the more fun I get to have...

Please AFK the MSQ runs you see me in... so i get to run around like crazy and not 1-shot the place...

[shibeouya]

Is leaching really tolerated in most parties?

At least on Aether, every single time I've seen someone clearly leaching, they have been 100% of the time dismissed.
Some times I have even seen people wait til the Omega part 2 battle before the vote kick is initiated.
Worst I've seen is one time it was clearly a party of 2 friends, with one leaching and the other rushing ahead pulling everything asap to avoid the vote kick while taunting us. We still managed to kick him just before the last boss, justice was truly served that day.

I don't think people are ok with it from my experience, and rightfully so.

[Lilseph]

No one really cares... 2 non sprouts can duo that place. I actually forget if it has a set iLevel or scales you and you outgear it... more important is that the fight mechanics are 5 years old and we’re used to much more complex fights. So we can run circles around those bosses and when that happens, folks stop caring if their carrying half the people.

Honestly I prefer it if they’re AFK. I like to play the game not breeze through it. The more people AFK the more work I have to do, the more fun I get to have...

Please AFK the MSQ runs you see me in... so i get to run around like crazy and not 1-shot the place...

Uh... no. I'll probably run next to you and kick the AFKers anyway. Like last night, our group kicked someone that AFK'd at the entrance. They didn't get auto-kicked due of inactivity so they KNEW what they were doing. Boom, kicked manually.

[Liam_Harper]

Rather than looking at the people afking in duty, maybe we should look at the design of having a 30-45 minute dungeon full of long winded unskippable cutscenes as a daily roulette?

I think the idea of the roulette is to recruit players to help new sprouts through their story-based dungeon, with the payment of a huge EXP and tome reward. If you sign up for MSQ Roulette, you're agreeing to this arrangement. It's not designed or intended as a daily mandatory leveling instance. People need to stop looking at it as such and feeling entitled to the EXP. It's a story instance and you're only there to help new players.

Since you signed up for this, agreeing to the deal of sitting through cutscenes and guiding the sprouts through in exchange for EXP, you have no right to AFK or cutscene skip.

[RoyalBeef]

Yeah the design is bad. That's why there is such a huge reward for pushing through it. It's notlike you randomly get it, you actively opt in to do it :P

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Was Exp really that bad before the Unskipable Patch? I remember back when I was leveling classes, once I finally hit lv 50, every Prae Run gave me a full Level, Or at least very close to one. I ran the heck out of the that Dungeon Everyday on Daily Roulette. And if you got a Challenge Log + Adventure in Need it was like over a Level and a Half.
Im not remembering this Bad exp, and I came in Just before the Dragonsong War. Finally Catching up at the end of it when Niddhog was New

[zombunnies]

Can I just say that some people are a little TOO aggro about ousting "leeches". Just the other day, I queued up the MSQ roulette with some friends. And just when it starts I get an important call.

So of course, I gotta focus on the conversation and I shoot off a quick "brb, got a phone call". I finish it in a timely manner, and get back to the game as fast as I could, only to be greeted by a wall of text from a party member identifying me as a "leech" who should be kicked. Which didn't feel great. I get that the msq roulette sucks and all. I'm just asking you to step back a bit. Maybe ask someone's point of view before painting them the villain?

[Yunuen]

I've been trying to just not get bothered by people leeching lately. Usually no one else kicks them, even if I initiate the vote, so it feels pointless to worry about it for me.

Once when I was healing Prae, I notice the other healer wasn't doing anything and marked them when we were on Ultima Weapon. Turns out he had friends there, and right after the fight was done, they managed to boot me. I'm guessing they logged out/back in to do it, since I've never been able to boot people in the middle of a cutscene. His other friends were also playing pretty badly and it was making the whole dungeon drag.

[Krotoan]

Can I just say that some people are a little TOO aggro about ousting "leeches". Just the other day, I queued up the MSQ roulette with some friends. And just when it starts I get an important call.

So of course, I gotta focus on the conversation and I shoot off a quick "brb, got a phone call". I finish it in a timely manner, and get back to the game as fast as I could, only to be greeted by a wall of text from a party member identifying me as a "leech" who should be kicked. Which didn't feel great. I get that the msq roulette sucks and all. I'm just asking you to step back a bit. Maybe ask someone's point of view before painting them the villain?

On the other side, if every MSQ you ran that week had 2-4 AFK-ers.. you'd probably be a little on edge as well. MSQ is long and life happens, I totally get that, but as long as you didn't actually get kicked? Maybe take the phonecall in front of the computer and at least follow the party next time? I'm not blaming you,, but there are always 2 sides to that kind of thing.