Why is leaching tolerated in MSQ roulette?

[YojimboM]

Oh boy, another one of those. You realise this is reportable, right? As in, SE does not like people doing this and will issue temp bans? I'll be sure to report you in-game if I happen to run into you when you do this. People like you are why aspects of this game are a slog.

Also, pulling the same weight? What a joke. You're using exploits, and you seriously think you have the high ground here? Really?

So.. they're going ahead to make the run faster for everyone while still allowing the new players to enjoy cutscenes and this is bad how? Those fights end in literally seconds, there is no longer any value to them. Cutscene or not, new players participating in those fights for the entirety of them are getting nothing from them except having to press buttons a few times.

What "weight" are people sitting in cutscenes pulling exactly? And calling a stupid feature an "exploit" to try to demonize someone is pretty asinine. Would you call the people who used the log out exploit to friend their alts against SE's will also somehow morally wrong? Although it's pretty laughable that you'd even bring the "high ground" into a conversation about a video game in the first place.

I'd much rather have someone getting around the enforced cutscenes to do the run faster than having a person standing AFK and forcing everyone else to pick up their weight.

[Mirhd]

So.. they're going ahead to make the run faster for everyone while still allowing the new players to enjoy cutscenes and this is bad how? Those fights end in literally seconds, there is no longer any value to them. Cutscene or not, new players participating in those fights for the entirety of them are getting nothing from them except having to press buttons a few times.

What "weight" are people sitting in cutscenes pulling exactly? And calling a stupid feature an "exploit" to try to demonize someone is pretty asinine. Would you call the people who used the log out exploit to friend their alts against SE's will also somehow morally wrong? Although it's pretty laughable that you'd even bring the "high ground" into a conversation about a video game in the first place.

I'd much rather have someone getting around the enforced cutscenes to do the run faster than having a person standing AFK and forcing everyone else to pick up their weight.

Are you for real? I can't tell if you're being obtuse on purpose or not.

SE made the cutscenes unskippable because new players were being forced by the rest of the group to skip them or be booted from the party... they were being forced to not watch/participate in the culmination of the ARR story arc. Logging out and then back in to forcibly skip the otherwise unskippable cutscenes IS an exploit. The fact that you're even deputing this, when SE made this change for the aforementioned reason, says a lot about you and it would not surprise me if you engage in this behaviour.

As for "weight", that previous poster took a superior, snotty attitude, as if they were doing everyone a favor by gaming the system, and for easy content, at that. They were initially hostile to others, acting as if they were somehow above them for using a known exploit. I pointed out how ridiculous this was, and you somehow have a problem with that? Really now? They also expect to reap the rewards given by the roulette for sitting through the unskippable cutscenes, when the reason the payout is even that high to begin with is for the amount of time invested. You, just like them, are NOT entitled to those rewards for cheesing through the dungeon, period. Don't like it? Don't bloody well queue, bucko.

[Thamorian]

Are you for real? I can't tell if you're being obtuse on purpose or not.

SE made the cutscenes unskippable because new players were being forced by the rest of the group to skip them or be booted from the party...

This is not true at all. People were not booted from parties for not skipping cutscenes. No one ever had an issue with new players watching cutscenes. The rest of the party just continues of and told the new player not to worry about it and to go ahead and watch the cutscenes. What actually happened is people were complaining on the forums how they were wanting to watch cutscenes and the rest of the party was skipping them and killing bosses to fast so by the time they got out of one cutscene the next one started right up and they were not given a chance to fight enemies.

[Rasikko]

We outgear the instances up to 9.2 times, a DPS check would be a joke. Now if they place a ilvl limit on both, then no one would queue for it ever again except for those that really need it.

I was in a group last night and frankly we were all trolling around, some of us /playdead during Ultima Weapon lmao. It is sad that the once hardest instances at the time have been reduced to this :P.

I didn't get why everyone hopped out of the mounts before the big door though..I guess I know why now.

[SaberMaxwell]

Probably the same reason leeching is tolerated in most content: there's not enough difficulty in the instance to care.

[Eldevern]

Not all players are used with rush and I've several time seen people activating the lifter despite not everyone is here. And the people who are left behind are blocked by the cinematic. That makes they most of time can only come back when starts the fight against Nero.

[Saefinn]

It's also possible they forget the Magitek key. If they not bother elsewhere, fair does, prolly a leech, but forgetting the Magitek key can mean everybody else gets a massive head start, even to the point you are actually better off waiting to be pulled into the next fight.

I did that recently and ended up like waaaaay behind. There was another guy with me who did the same. If you're just following the rhythm without thought, it's easy to forget. Most of the time I don't, but it only takes a brain fart. Stuff dies so quickly people have raced ahead and you're at the Nero fight before you've even moved out of the first area on the mount

[Saefinn]

We outgear the instances up to 9.2 times, a DPS check would be a joke. Now if they place a ilvl limit on both, then no one would queue for it ever again except for those that really need it.

I was in a group last night and frankly we were all trolling around, some of us /playdead during Ultima Weapon lmao. It is sad that the once hardest instances at the time have been reduced to this :P.

I didn't get why everyone hopped out of the mounts before the big door though..I guess I know why now.

We used to troll around when we did roulettes as a group, though we skip MSQ roulette now because some of us don't like how long it takes.

we let our WHM tank ultima weapon and sometimes fight for hate with the tank with the amount of aggro a Whm could pull through overhealing. Sometimes just remove all of our gear and fight naked. We also ignore the adds for Ultima Weapon and then you get a rave party.

Obviously all with consenting people, we not too mean.

[Ksenia]

half an hour of forced cut scenes, praetorium or castrum "roulette" but yea, leeching is the real demon here.


Sure, ok...

[MrKusakabe]

half an hour of forced cut scenes, praetorium or castrum "roulette" but yea, leeching is the real demon here.


Sure, ok...

You just invalidated your own reasoning.

You know what you get, and still queue for it and... get annoyed for what you queued for. And then you think this makes it fine for leeching? You get that fat junk of EXP for extremely easy fights (and cutscenes, so much idleness!) for a reason.

If I had to draw your train of thoughts onto a flipchart, it would look like when you lose in SNAKE - the start of your argumentation and the end of it meet - Game Over.

I am on my tablet so I don't have my "What.png" ready. I have it on imgur.
Usually, you get a treat for doing the dirty jobs. Here you want the treat (EXP) for free.