Why is leaching tolerated in MSQ roulette?

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Yeah you can't even kick during the Magitek part because its considered "incombat" its a frustrating situation

Being honest, I don't even like kicking afkers - they basically just get a free pass to queue up again and do the same thing over and over. :/ The only way kicking works out is if they get notorious enough on a Data Center that they're immediately removed every time.

[Lord_Umbra]

They should add a mechanic where if you don't join in the boss fights you get no exp. No excuse now since you get a teleport to boss option.

Except then what happens when get those that do the cut scene skip method or people who mash through cut scenes few of fights can be beat before those not mashing get out of them.

[JunseiKei]

...Because it doesn't matter unless the majority of the party is AFKing. The instances are miserable with all of the cutscenes. There's virtually no DPS check (maybe on Ultima Weapon and it's extremely generous, even at the time). If you pull the bosses immediately, people are given the option to jump into the sealed area. This is especially nice if you happen to have a tank, a healer and a DPS all skipping cutscenes and pulling immediately.

The only way kicking works out is if they get notorious enough on a Data Center that they're immediately removed every time.

5 or 15 minutes need to pass to initiate a vote kick to begin with, depending on the instance. I think for MSQ dungeons, it's 15 minutes.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

5 or 15 minutes need to pass to initiate a vote kick to begin with, depending on the instance. I think for MSQ dungeons, it's 15 minutes.

I'm aware. Poor wording on my part - I usually mean "removed as soon as possible" when using the term 'immediately' in that context.

And it does matter, actually. I don't pay to play this game so others can leech off me actually putting in effort to accomplish goals and finish runs.

[Macleod]

...Because it doesn't matter unless the majority of the party is AFKing.

And if an instance fills with 8 people all expecting to afk, guess what happens? While it's highly unlikely to happen, that is irrelevant. If we were all as selfish as the people getting away with this, the instance timers would run out and we'd all get nothing. So I shouldn't have to pick up the slack for people that don't want to play.

Queue to play, not AFK.™

[Jybril]

By the same standard, when I queue with my friends and 4 of us log out to skip cutscenes, immediately pull bosses and DPS so the bosses are fairly damaged before people come out of cutscenes, we should be kicking because they aren't pulling the same weight we are willing to pull.

Good thing you aren't on my DC I would report all of you. (Main in Crystal)
The point is for them to enjoy the CS. Go on and report them for watching the CS and watch GM's laugh and ban you instead.
That's why we have this whole roulette to begin with, because people kept on racing ahead and not
letting people watch and get locked out the fights and just about forced to leave the CS.
People STILL do this in normal dungeons. I was new in the 80 man dungeon, watch a CS and "click!" tank pulled.

Honestly? If you can't deal with it, then don't queue up for it.
You're basically getting a semi free ride for EXP to multitask and just by doing a little.
I'd just text or watch YT or something while I wait for the CS to finish honestly.

[JunseiKei]

That right there says all I need to know about you.

Not really. You're judging a multi-faceted person based on their stance of one particular roulette that just wants to get in and get it done.

[Macleod]

Not really. You're judging a multi-faceted person based on their stance of one particular roulette that just wants to get in and get it done.

Probably shouldn't openly admit to abusing game mechanics to skip unskippable cutscenes on the forums. I know this particular exploit exists, as do many others, and never once have I ever considered abusing it. If you queue for MS Roulette, you know what you're getting into and should plan accordingly. If you're willing to abuse poor game mechanics, carry leechers, etc., then I'm sorry, but yes that does tell me all I need to know about you with regard to this game, and I wouldn't want to team with you. Let's stamp the good ol' "difference in playstyle" on this one...

I know the MS Roulette instances are old, and easy, but that's no excuse.

[JunseiKei]

Probably shouldn't openly admit to abusing game mechanics to skip unskippable cutscenes on the forums. I know this particular exploit exists, as do many others, and never once have I ever considered abusing it. If you queue for MS Roulette, you know what you're getting into and should plan accordingly. If you're willing to abuse poor game mechanics, carry leechers, etc., then I'm sorry, but yes that does tell me all I need to know about you with regard to this game, and I wouldn't want to team with you. Let's stamp the good ol' "difference in playstyle" on this one...

I know the MS Roulette instances are old, and easy, but that's no excuse.

You can virtue signal that I'm terrible for being apathetic toward AFKers and leechers or people disconnecting just to try to make it faster, but it's not going to change my mind.

*Laughs.* No where did I say I actually do skip cutscenes. It was an example, though I can see where my wording would give you the impression that I'd abuse it. You'd know I sometimes just suck with words if you knew me. Can you give me definitive proof that I actually do it and not just words on a forum? No, you can't. I can tell you I have purple purple hair and that's all you'd have to go on. That doesn't change my stance on running the dungeon as quickly as possible and not caring what most of the other people do for a majority of the run. Nor does it tell you about me and more so a point that we agree to disagree on with a single subject. If you cannot make that distinction, oh well.

Again, I just want to get in and go and I don't care if people are AFK in a poorly implemented roulette that was great the first time I experienced it, but is now just outdated and annoying. Especially if no one is new to the instance. If anything, I hope the amount of AFKers and people willing to disconnect to skip the cutscenes demonstrations how bad this really is. Make it a bunch of cutscenes with trials where the bosses were, a trust dungeon, a squadron dungeon, something, than what it is now. If people kick those AFKers and they keep rejoining, I hope that drives the point home even more to the XIV development team that this is long overdue to be changed. The amount of threads complaining about the cutscenes, or in this case, leeches, doesn't seem to make much of an impression and hasn't in years.

You're judging a multi-faceted person based on their stance of one particular roulette that just wants to get in and get it done.

[Vahlnir]

Not really. You're judging a multi-faceted person based on their stance of one particular roulette that just wants to get in and get it done.

You can be reported for this sort of thing though, so I personally wouldn't risk it for the sake of saving time. An extra 20-30 minutes or so is more preferable than losing out on a few days of play time. If you are aware of this already though there's not much anyone can say except "enjoy that ban".