Why is leaching tolerated in MSQ roulette?

[Machi_Machiavelli]

People said the same thing about unskippable cutscenes and yet here we are, with the roulette being run now more than ever.

being queued for and AFK'd on.

[Flay_wind]

People said the same thing about unskippable cutscenes and yet here we are, with the roulette being run now more than ever.

Roulette is being run a lot, because it's braindead easy and has a good exp/time ratio. Your proposed iLvl 60 compared to the 130 as it is now will make it waaaay slower. As such not worth the effort. Unless SE bumps exp rewards even more. Which would be a silly thing to do, because it works atm, why change it?

[Fynlar]

It's tolerated because it's pathetically easy. 4 man dungeons often get cited as being so easy that it's not worthwhile to attempt to parse/evaluate other players or hold them to any particular sort of standard. These dungeons can be outgeared to an even greater degree than most 4-man dungeons, and they allow 4 more people (without really giving the opposition that much more HP to account for it). Do the math.

When people are made to feel like their contribution doesn't even matter, well... no points for guessing what often results from that.

[Driavna]

I can't believe people are still trying to justify this.

[RoyalBeef]

I can't believe people are still trying to justify this.

You could make a thread complaining about a tank in lv 1 glamour gear in a lv 80 dungeon and there would still be people telling you why it's alright and why you should apologize for being toxic and to stop turning the game into a 2nd job for the poor tank :^)

[Violet_Galaxy]

I can't believe people are still trying to justify this.

It's justified because the GMs, Forum Mods and SE don't have the backbone to do anything about it. Until harsh penalties are passed out, we're still (unfortunately) going to be constantly debating about this with little to no action taken. At this point, I wish SE would just put their foot down on this issue already but since they're soooo concerned with $$$, they won't bother. Oh and the fact that this issue is probably EU/US exclusive means they definitely won't bat an eye towards this issue because you know, everything is fine! Just like we don't have any bots roaming around whatsoever! Nope! NOTHING!!

[XiXiQ]

If you don't like it, don't do it. The reason the rewards are so high is because it's a pain in the backside, so pick which one you can do without.

[JowyAtreides]

If the person who decides to stay back for the magitek section and wait for the boss room teleport is top dps in every fight, including Nero, who is really the leech then?

You can get through them if everyone decided to be lazy with dps.

You can't get through them if people decided to stay back.

My answer is still the lazy person

[Imbrium]

Well I mean, technically it should be, but yeah then probably people wouldn't que for those(they should totally implement ilvl sync in trials and normal raids tho imo, 100% serious).

I'm not presenting myself as some "champion of the newbie experience", so you can shove your sarcasm goes to show how nice those people accusing others of toxicity etc usually are tho. When I get into msq I do whatever I can to make the run fast(except for the cs skipping thing, I'm too lazy for that, but I won't whine if others do it). I'm there to get my exp/tomes and chill during cutscenes, maybe help a lost newbie if somebody misses the terminal part.
I'm merely poking holes at the reasoning presented in this thread and calling to question if you people really care about either active contribution or the good of the newbies, or are you simply lead by a blind "justice boner" without any actual logic to it.

The first example I gave, had a person contribute the most to the swift completion of duty of the entire group, only staying to chill at a part which they could not possibly quicken, due to what is basically diminishing returns. It would be illogical to call this person a leech.

I will ask again: is this really about either contributing or making the experience better for newbies, or are people simply salty that not everyone is doing things entirely "by the book", even if there was no actual harm in that?

Snipped the bit about exploiting the logout for room.

A person contributing the most to the swift completion of the duty. In the msq dungeons, which... The bosses currently melt in, so a person who loads in after the lockout has now missed at least 1/6th of the fight. They contributed the most. Because they are a mystical unicorn of legend, and we should worship this beastly, mighty dps that can defy logic, yes.

Oh, except Ultima Weapon. I'm sure they were top dps there, and the rest of the group should again be worshipping at their boots. Should we call this unicorn a leech, godly as they are, when we should instead worship their dps stick? How silly of me!!

I mean you started the troll posts, did you not want similar responses? Because what you're pointing out, someone who teleports to the boss room and is somehow top dps- that's a unicorn unless they're the only lv80 among ilv50 sprouts. The boss should be 1/2 dead by the time they load in with current ilv sync, unless it is a completely new group of players. That said why should anyone want to deal with trash mobs or walking to the boss if this is tolerated? You'll get a 8/8 group with no one wanting to leave the gate. Don't push your 'but it's only one person' bull here, if one person can get away with it, why not everyone.

Also you've gone from giving the newer players all the time they need to swift experience, what happened? Please be consistent our champion of player rights!!