Why is leaching tolerated in MSQ roulette?

[Imbrium]

Yes, I made a comment asking a question because I was curious on how people see this and instead of answering it, you started throwing insults my way.

Actually another thing to consider: since the unskipable cutscenes are there to let newbies enjoy the experience without being rushed - is it really in their best interest for people to do their best to defeat the enemies quickly, or are people who afk and hence slow the fights down actually doing newbies a favor(unintentionally of course, let's not kid ourselves) by letting them see more of each fight?

Oh, but if your concern is really for players getting the 'original' experience it's obviously time to go petition SE to level sync everyone down to around ARR AF1 set stats. Playing at ilv50-ish should really slow the group down so everyone sees every tiny aspect of the fights and experiences the content right? Thank you for championing the cause of further msq change good sir or madam, truly your consideration for player immersion is just commendable.

[NanaWiloh]

One of few things in this game that gets under my skin. People trying to get a free ride through old content by doing little to nothing.

[SaberMaxwell]

Oh, but if your concern is really for players getting the 'original' experience it's obviously time to go petition SE to level sync everyone down to around ARR AF1 set stats. Playing at ilv50-ish should really slow the group down so everyone sees every tiny aspect of the fights and experiences the content right? Thank you for championing the cause of further msq change good sir or madam, truly your consideration for player immersion is just commendable.

Honestly tho it'd be pretty nice if Prae / Castrum were synced to i60ish at the very most.

[Flay_wind]

Honestly tho it'd be pretty nice if Prae / Castrum were synced to i60ish at the very most.

Then it will be a huge time sink not worth the exp. Say hello to stupid long queues for sprouts.

[Satarn]

Oh, but if your concern is really for players getting the 'original' experience it's obviously time to go petition SE to level sync everyone down to around ARR AF1 set stats.

Well I mean, technically it should be, but yeah then probably people wouldn't que for those(they should totally implement ilvl sync in trials and normal raids tho imo, 100% serious).

I'm not presenting myself as some "champion of the newbie experience", so you can shove your sarcasm goes to show how nice those people accusing others of toxicity etc usually are tho. When I get into msq I do whatever I can to make the run fast(except for the cs skipping thing, I'm too lazy for that, but I won't whine if others do it). I'm there to get my exp/tomes and chill during cutscenes, maybe help a lost newbie if somebody misses the terminal part.
I'm merely poking holes at the reasoning presented in this thread and calling to question if you people really care about either active contribution or the good of the newbies, or are you simply lead by a blind "justice boner" without any actual logic to it.

The first example I gave, had a person contribute the most to the swift completion of duty of the entire group, only staying to chill at a part which they could not possibly quicken, due to what is basically diminishing returns. It would be illogical to call this person a leech.

Later I saw people complaining about the cutscene-skip trick as well, which kind of contradicts the whole "you should do whatever you can to make it faster even if it's easy" thing, because skippers are contributing the most to the swift completion of duty. The method is obviously an exploit, but who cares since it's a victim less crime... unless you count the newbies who don't get to experience the content properly, but then isn't us all going ham on the bosses to kill them asap not just as bad in a way? DPSing the boss is "legal", but isn't it just as "harmful" if you consider skipping to be bad?

I will ask again: is this really about either contributing or making the experience better for newbies, or are people simply salty that not everyone is doing things entirely "by the book", even if there was no actual harm in that?

[Deceptus]

Because in 24 mans 15 brainless monkeys smashing their face on a keyboard can clear it. (LOTA / ST)

The other ones, not so much. (Shudder: Orbonne)

[SaberMaxwell]

Then it will be a huge time sink not worth the exp. Say hello to stupid long queues for sprouts.

People said the same thing about unskippable cutscenes and yet here we are, with the roulette being run now more than ever.

[Fynlar]

It's tolerated because it's pathetically easy. 4 man dungeons often get cited as being so easy that it's not worthwhile to attempt to parse/evaluate other players or hold them to any particular sort of standard. These dungeons can be outgeared to an even greater degree than most 4-man dungeons, and they allow 4 more people (without really giving the opposition that much more HP to account for it). Do the math.

When people are made to feel like their contribution doesn't even matter, well... no points for guessing what often results from that.

[Driavna]

I can't believe people are still trying to justify this.

[RoyalBeef]

I can't believe people are still trying to justify this.

You could make a thread complaining about a tank in lv 1 glamour gear in a lv 80 dungeon and there would still be people telling you why it's alright and why you should apologize for being toxic and to stop turning the game into a 2nd job for the poor tank :^)