Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[Suniva]

LotA and ST take about 15-20 minutes. They're run so often people get their bonuses quicker.

I've been getting a lot of Void Ark lately which is nice, something more to actually do then Zerg rush.

Also had my first complete Orbonne run without vote abandoning last night in months. Almost missed the dps check on TG Cid but we managed because I melee lb 1'd before it 100.

Once the first Yorha raid comes out expect to have a lot of that too, which I'm totally in favor for but only if people don't vote abandon for it.

Whenever a new raid comes out, the roulette kind of balances out for a few weeks, but then it goes right back to functioning in the way that it does, with people dropping their ilvl down. I've personally have had very few runs in Orbonne and fewer still that have been abandoned. But I typically will ask in my party as well as in alliance if anyone needs mechanics explained to try and help avoid the wipe fest that it could potentially be. I would like to think it helps, but who can really say for sure.

[SerLuke]

People are artificially lowering their ilvl to get them by removing equipment because they're easier and faster to do. The rare time I actually get something that ISN'T Lab or Syrcus, a few people leave. : / It's annoying, aye.

Or *gasp* people are leveling 51-59 jobs that can’t get highs roulletes. I’ve also seen people leave Lab and Sycrus when it starts cause they don’t want to do those.

[Noitems]

Whenever a new raid comes out, the roulette kind of balances out for a few weeks, but then it goes right back to functioning in the way that it does, with people dropping their ilvl down. I've personally have had very few runs in Orbonne and fewer still that have been abandoned. But I typically will ask in my party as well as in alliance if anyone needs mechanics explained to try and help avoid the wipe fest that it could potentially be. I would like to think it helps, but who can really say for sure.

For sure. I remember the ye olde days of Rabnast where Rofocale was viewed as the TG Cid equivalent and you'd have to go through every single mechanic. Now the guy dies before the second marker add.

I also remember the joys of Lighthouse where Contruct 7 was the hurdle since people don't know how to run around him in a circle.

I'm in the same mind, I like checking in with people especially if the first couple of bosses take much longer then planned. When a Mustadio run gets in 3 analysis you start to become worried and make sure people know. It's just a matter if people actually pay attention and listen that determines if it's gonna be a good time.

[Samsta]

There is a super easy fix for the lowering of ilvl oversight. Just have a minimum ilvl for the roulette depending whether you are level 50,60 or 70. I cannot fathom why this isn't already the case, I want to queue for alliance raid roulette, not for LotA/Syrcus roulette, if that stops some people for doing it fine, I don't want to play with people who can't concentrate for 30 minutes anyway. Increase the exp bonus for the higher lvl raids and everything is fixed.

[hasana]

Um, yes. Yes I know this. The point of me making the statement was that RoyalBeef had stated that the game has no right to force things onto players. I simply made it a point that anyone that DOES queue up for MSQ is going to be forced to watch the cutscenes, regardless if they want to or not. I am sorry if you were not able to figure out the context of me having made the statement, but I hope I clarified it enough for you.

SE doesn't force you to queue MSQ roulette
Nor they force you to watch the Cutscenes when you are in.
They however make sure people can enjoy them and do the dungeon and for that we have a better reward.

[Vahlnir]

I've lowered my item level a few times to do this, but it isn't for the reason some may think. I want to try for the tank chestpiece from LotA and get my daily bonus. There's nothing stopping me from queueing up for LotA only but I like to be efficient with my time. Going through this thread, however, I feel as though I probably shouldn't contribute to this. It probably isn't the most ethical thing to do.

I'm in the same mind, I like checking in with people especially if the first couple of bosses take much longer then planned. When a Mustadio run gets in 3 analysis you start to become worried and make sure people know. It's just a matter if people actually pay attention and listen that determines if it's gonna be a good time.

One can typically gauge how the raid will go based on Mustadio alone, though I have had runs where he was painful and the rest were smooth sailing. But for the most part, if Mustadio is bad, the rest will be just as bad or worse in my experience. Sometimes I will stay, sometimes I will leave. That is ultimately my choice to make. Usually, as long as the boss dies and there is very few screw ups I will stick around. Dps output doesn't really factor into my decision.

[Sove92]

There is a super easy fix for the lowering of ilvl oversight. Just have a minimum ilvl for the roulette depending whether you are level 50,60 or 70. I cannot fathom why this isn't already the case, I want to queue for alliance raid roulette, not for LotA/Syrcus roulette, if that stops some people for doing it fine, I don't want to play with people who can't concentrate for 30 minutes anyway. Increase the exp bonus for the higher lvl raids and everything is fixed.

Because DF doesn't support selective requirements like this, there is only one level requirement, item level requirement and whether you need to have 2 duties completed or all of them. There's a lot of work that goes into making the proposed system possible and SE is far more likely to give EXP incentives for newer raids than go through the trouble of adding this as it is a significant system change. XIV's main staff only has a few programmers at hand and their time is better spent on new features when an alternative solution is available.

Right now, Orbonne simply isn't worth the time, if it even completes in the first place, when ST gives the same EXP for a fraction of the time.

[Fynlar]

Last night, I got Orbonne in roulette, and one tank left. By the time we got to Cid, a new tank showed up and we finished the raid, and that's with several people being new. They're all relatively easy now, so I don't know why anyone would bother trying to limit what you get. It's people leaving (especially tanks) that actually makes any of the raids harder than they need to be, not the raids themselves.

That's great that that's been your experience. My last few experiences of Orbonne ended up being huge wastes of time that ended in vote abandons.


And tbh, even if the run goes smooth as silk, it still takes way longer to complete than LotA/ST.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

In all honesty, I'll remove some gear occasionally when I queue for Alliance Raid, but only to the point that I'm below 360. Orbonne Monastery is too much of a headache to deal with nowadays to the point I've only seen a clear on Thunder God Cid once since Shadowbringers started. And even then, there was a wipe at 1% beforehand where I believe some people might've left.

Every other Raid I'm fine with doing (even if I am deathly tired of the Level 50 ones). I just don't want to spend 30+ minutes on a Raid where everyone's going to disband because they forgot/don't know mechanics and then have to requeue and waste further time.

LotA/ST: "Yaay, free XP"
WoD: "Shouldn't be a problem, but you never know!"
Dun Scaith: "Oh shit."
Obonne: "Shit just hit the fan!"

Dun Scaith isn't too bad nowadays unless people are really really REALLY not paying attention on Deathgaze or let Scathach's minion use Full Swing. Orbonne, though, is a nightmare.

I'd like to do Ridorana or Rabanastre once in a while, though, even if people rarely do the mechanics on Mateus right anymore.

There is a super easy fix for the lowering of ilvl oversight. Just have a minimum ilvl for the roulette depending whether you are level 50,60 or 70. I cannot fathom why this isn't already the case, I want to queue for alliance raid roulette, not for LotA/Syrcus roulette, if that stops some people for doing it fine, I don't want to play with people who can't concentrate for 30 minutes anyway. Increase the exp bonus for the higher lvl raids and everything is fixed.

I can agree with this, though the fact that Crystal Tower is the earliest accessible Raid means that you're still probably likely to wind up in a roulette for it.

[Awful]

When there's an ilvl requirement for 24 man raids that you can cheese and sit there and AFK vs people who are ilvl 200 in Holmnister Switch with no ilvl requirement, yeah it is a problem even today I que in and 5 people were at 2.5k hp naked then put their gear on. It's an issue that I hope SE fixes in the near future I hate getting LoTA/ST and people still die because they didn't run to pads and are just AFK because they're the bad ones who leave when they get Orobonne and Ridorana and Dun Scaith they're just adding more to the problem by cheesing ilvl.