Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[SerLuke]

just remove the roulette entirely, .

Or you could just not do the roulette?

[SerLuke]

In any event I don’t think this is as bad as people make it out to be, I got Dun Scaith 3 times last week

[Fynlar]

Oh I remember, I still have flashbacks to all the screaming people did back in 2.0 in a vain attempt to get people to do the mechanics lol. It isn't that they weren't tuned for when they released, it's that I don't think they were tuned with the current power creep the game has in mind. The last time I had to do Glasya's platforms was back in the mid-patch release for HW - and Scylla's daybreak hasn't done more than tickled since then either. By comparison the HW's raids have aged a lot more gracefully. They're a lot easier now but it doesn't feel like you're skipping 90% of the fight. I'm just not sure /why/ that is though. If it's a tuning issue or just a back door coding issue.

It is a tuning issue. We outgear the ARR raids by far more proportionally at i130 than we do for the HW raids at i270 or the SB raids at i400.

A smooth run doesn't take an hour, probably around 20m or so.

Not even my smoothest runs of Orbonne (which were all back before SB2, incidentally) were anywhere near that fast.

[Oichi]

I just think it's funny that it's become a vicious cycle. People don't do Orbonne because other people haven't learned the mechanics; but people aren't learning the mechanics because they aren't getting the chance to run it because people cheese the system to avoid Orbonne. If more people took what they got with Alliance Raid Roulette (including Orbonne) and, instead of dropping, taught people mechanics, then those players can teach people, and those people can teach others, and so on and so forth.

That being said, I do think there should be more of a reward for people willing to do that. You should get more XP/tomes for completing the level 70 raids than you get for the level 50/60 raids. You should get less XP for the level 60 raids than you do 70, but more than 50. And level 50 raids should give the least xp/tome rewards. People will still cheese it if the time vs reward is not worth it to them, but you would probably get at least some people more willing to give Orbonne a chance if it meant more xp/tomes.

I think your post nailed it

[Gemina]

I don’t mind getting these at all because they’re fast.

Orbonne is about an hour if everything is smooth and that’s not guaranteed and then it is very painful

I hate getting these because they're boring.

I'd rather spend 60 minutes having fun in content I can't sleep through than 20 minutes wishing braindead content was over; bored out of my mind. That makes 20 minutes seem like 2 hours if you ask me. I just think some players out there are just scared to take an ass-whoopin'. Orbonne is seriously an awesome raid. It is the most well designed 24-man to date without question, and some of the best content overall.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

If you are naked when you que in, you will be targeted by my macro and the whole Alliance will know what you did.

You can reclothe immediately after queueing for the roulette, though.

[ForteNightshade]

In any event I don’t think this is as bad as people make it out to be, I got Dun Scaith 3 times last week

Speak for yourself. I have done Alliance Roulette fairly regularly and can count the times I've gotten Weeping City and Dun Scaith using one hand. At least in the last month or so. I think I've seen Rabanastre and Riodana five times combined since ShB launched, and Orbonne only once. Ironically, we cleared Orbonne with only 20 people despite nearly half having never done it before.

I hate getting these because they're boring.

I'd rather spend 60 minutes having fun in content I can't sleep through than 20 minutes wishing braindead content was over; bored out of my mind. That makes 20 minutes seem like 2 hours if you ask me. I just think some players out there are just scared to take an ass-whoopin'. Orbonne is seriously an awesome raid. It is the most well designed 24-man to date without question, and some of the best content overall.

When the highlight of your run is all three Alliances wiping to Ancient Fire only for the boss to also die at the exact same time. That goes to show how boring the actual raid is.

[DenzelVilliers]

I don't do Alliance Raid Rolettes anymore for that reason, bot to mention that even 6 years later people must wipe at least once in LoA last boss. Leveling Rolette is another one that i don't do anymore, 90% of time i get "The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak" Dungeon, 9% of time "The Tam-Tara Deepcroft" and 1% of time some random stuff.

[SerLuke]

Speak for yourself.

I was, you alright dude?

[Kuroka]

I don't do Alliance Raid Rolettes anymore for that reason, bot to mention that even 6 years later people must wipe at least once in LoA last boss. Leveling Rolette is another one that i don't do anymore, 90% of time i get "The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak" Dungeon, 9% of time "The Tam-Tara Deepcroft" and 1% of time some random stuff.

...your's is broken there should be 77% sastasha.

I just had 7x tower and 1 Wod, while i need the Lota for khloe... like haha rly funny. But I just cant bear them anymore... even VA is more fun. And i cant believe im using VA and fun in one sentence...