Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Yeah, I'm not sure when it started, but I've noticed that people ignore mechanics in Syrcus Tower a lot more. Used to be that people took the orbs to towers, but now they just sit there and let them explode on them (or whatever they do if you let them sit on you).

[HyoMinPark]

Of course I do, and everyone who says they never done it is either a liar, or hasnt unlocked SB alliance raids yet :P Nice try making it look like I'm engaging in some kind of forbidden or unethical activity tho xD Go ahead, name and shame me for avoiding Orbonne Abandon Roulette, I can take it ^^

Everyone, huh? Why don’t we not use absolutes, because you’ll just end up proving yourself wrong.

I don’t lower my item level. I actually like getting the HW and SB Alliance raids. And I’m hoping they implement a fix for this. I’ve got a friend who has someone they play with often that lowers their item level. I refuse to do Alliance Roulette with them because I’m tired of LotA and ST.

Okay. So, tomes/exp are just a bonus. Then, why not just queue for a raid you want to run instead of complaining about getting the raid you do not want in roulette?

Because some of the other raids have abysmal queue times. When I was trying to do the HW raids on an alt, I was waiting 30-45 minutes for Weeping City and Dun Scaith. I haven’t attempted to queue for them individually within the last month or so, but I wouldn’t be surprised if these queues are actually still that bad. Shame, because I’d love to farm the tank coat from Weeping to use.

The roulettes are also supposed to help these queue times. But people cheesing their item level doesn’t help anyone.

[Awful]

Everyone, huh? Why don’t we not use absolutes, because you’ll just end up proving yourself wrong.

I don’t lower my item level. I actually like getting the HW and SB Alliance raids. And I’m hoping they implement a fix for this. I’ve got a friend who has someone they play with often that lowers their item level. I refuse to do Alliance Roulette with them because I’m tired of LotA and ST.

Same I have a friend who does the same and I don't que with em if I wanna AFK I can just do MSQ and watch a youtube vid on my other monitor, one week I que'd for Alliance Roulette everyday and got either LotA/ST everyday it was just so boring, I get people want fast EXP but if you want that just do HoH or PotD. It defeats the purpose of having a roulette in the first place if people want just a coin flip on either 50 24 man I enjoy having variety not just Labyrinth of the Asleep and Snorcus Tower I really hope they do a fix for this as well.

[Gemina]

Okay, i'll chime in. For example i have only Crystal Tower and Ivalice Raids unlocked. I only queue into Alliance Roulette on a 50-69 character i am currently leveling to max. Other 23 players that are queued with me into that particular Raid Roulette all funneled to Crystal Tower Raids only, because that's the only thing available to me personally. Do i cheat the system or not and how wrong is for me to do it?

Not wrong at all. Your question is the same as asking as a level 50-59 player if by queueing up for alliance roulette, are you cheating other players from the more recent raids. There are certain things we have to accept by using the roulette. We give up certain freedoms for the convenience of getting a full group together faster, but an exploit such as this one is not one of them.

It's comes down to your intent. Deliberately reducing your ilv to exclude yourself (and possibly everyone else) from higher level raids is cheating not only the system, but potentially 23 other players as well. In your case, you're not cheating anyone but I would recommend unlocking the HW alliance raids.

[Mirhd]

Or *gasp* people are leveling 51-59 jobs that can’t get highs roulletes. I’ve also seen people leave Lab and Sycrus when it starts cause they don’t want to do those.

I go to sleep and the thread explodes. Yeesh.

Clearly not the case here hun, and I'm sure you're aware of it, but good job trying to justify it. In this thread and others many people have already admitted to lowering their ilvl. Still going with this excuse?

The only real fix is to enforce ilvl based on level. If this means those who have been lowering their ilvl no longer queue, good riddance.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

Asking for a fix is implying there is something wrong with the system. It's working as intended tho ^^ Next thing you know, people ask for it to become a reportable offense. Some time in the future you'll be banned for equipping lower gear, or like in the other thread, for putting you PF party in the wrong category ^^
People who do that obviously don't want to play the raid you queued for, so why implement something that forces them and wil lead to them leaving or not queuing up anymore? As if that fixes your queues times.

The intent of the roulettes is largely to facilitate new players being able to get through these raids (ok, they're also really a ploy to ensure daily investment in the game, thereby forming habits and mentally manipulating players into retaining subscription). If you honestly wanted to queue for Labyrinth or Syrcus, you would check them off specifically in duty finder. But you don't, because you really want the roulette reward. So you should have to pool into potentially going into any of the 24 mans you've unlocked when using said roulette.

There doesn't need to be bannings, and you even bringing that up such an extreme is a deflection. All that is needed is for roulettes to require the min ilvl of the highest unlocked instance available to your equipped job's level. Therefore, if someone wants to queue for a roulette on a max level character, they'd be potentially entered for the entire roulette. If they want to only get Labyrinth and Syrcus, they can... with a leveling job between levels 50 and 59.

Sure some people would stop queuing. Some might not do the later raids to begin with so they aren't added to the possibilities (mostly on alts only though, I'd wager). I think these people would be in the minority; many would do the roulette because it is a roulette and gives relevant tomes. And the more of those people not clogging the system with Labyrinth and Syrcus, the better.

We also know this system isn't working as intended, because SE doesn't want to put (badly needed) min ilvl restrictions on leveling dungeons for this exact reason among possible others. They fear that players would strip down to the point where they're guaranteed to get Satasha or something, drying up the supply of players helping new characters level later on.

[niwaar]

People are artificially lowering their ilvl to get them by removing equipment because they're easier and faster to do. The rare time I actually get something that ISN'T Lab or Syrcus, a few people leave. : / It's annoying, aye.

This doesnt actually work. I've been completely naked and gotten Monastery before.

The fact is, that you don't need to unlock all 9 in order to open up the roulette. There are a good amount of people queuing for Alliance Roulette who never unlocked the higher level choices.

[ForteNightshade]

This doesnt actually work. I've been completely naked and gotten Monastery before.

The fact is, that you don't need to unlock all 9 in order to open up the roulette. There are a good amount of people queuing for Alliance Roulette who never unlocked the higher level choices.

Yes, it does. The game only verifies your gear when you initiate the queue itself. If you switch jobs or take everything off while waiting for it to pop, that doesn't impact what your results will be. If you were naked then queued, it's impossible to get Orbonne Monastery.

[SerLuke]

I go to sleep and the thread explodes. Yeesh.

Clearly not the case here hun, and I'm sure you're aware of it, but good job trying to justify it. In this thread and others many people have already admitted to lowering their ilvl. Still going with this excuse?

The only real fix is to enforce ilvl based on level. If this means those who have been lowering their ilvl no longer queue, good riddance.

I was recently leveling jobs that level “hun” so not sure what you are accusing me of excusing and justifying?

[Jybril]

Yeah, I'm not sure when it started, but I've noticed that people ignore mechanics in Syrcus Tower a lot more. Used to be that people took the orbs to towers, but now they just sit there and let them explode on them (or whatever they do if you let them sit on you).

It's been a thing for a while because of the high gear we get now
so we're allowed to take a few hits and already kill the boss.
People ignore almost all mechs because it's a DPS race to the finish, just like all of CT.
Another bad thing about this is, newbies don't get to see the full of the raid.
You know when you're suppose to platform jump on the Glabos w/e his name is?
Well, don't need to, just DPS as fast as you can and he doesn't even transition.