Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[linay]

Efficiency. There's a minimum and a maximum priciple.

Minimum priciple: Get a fixed reward with as little effort aus possible.
Maximum prnciple: Use a fixed amount of effort to gain a reward that's a big as possible.

Since the reward in roulettes is fixed and the effort is variable, the only reasonable thing to do is minimizing your effort to get the fixed reward.

Now if all Raids took the same amount of time, but the rewards varied, people would jump on the one that grants the biggest reward for the fixed effort.

Meh, there's efficiency and then there's limiting yourself to running the same thing daily in a video game.

But hey, as long as people show that they don't mind doing that, I guess that's one more evidence against all the people that complain that this game is the same thing expansion after expansion or that it's too easy. That's what people want and the developers don't mind being efficient themselves in how they release content.

[Clouse_Cleyra]

I still think the only wat to solve this problem is making the reward and the end to scale on the lenght of the roulette you just did.
That way if you are wiping and taking a lot of time it still will be worth, because when you finish it, you will will get a lot of exp worth your time and effort on clearing something that took several wipes.
So it wont matter if you take something fast or long, it will be the same exp/time consuming

Leveling Roulette is another can of worms. No one wants Sastasha, Copperbell, or basically anything pre 50. Why it puts me and other 3 60+ leveled players into Sastasha? This needs fixing first, imo.

I dont know why you dont like Sastasha, is by far the best on exp wise. It takes 15 minutes and gives you ton of experience.

[JowyAtreides]

Of course I do, and everyone who says they never done it is either a liar, or hasnt unlocked SB alliance raids yet :P Nice try making it look like I'm engaging in some kind of forbidden or unethical activity tho xD Go ahead, name and shame me for avoiding Orbonne Abandon Roulette, I can take it ^^

Never done this but in the same breath, I've never had a level 70 alliance raid hit in the roulette since expansion. I for one am bored of getting WoD as well simply because the level 50 job kits are just so lacking.

I, and other players, are forced to watch cutscenes in MSQ if they que up for it. Nice try.

You're not forced to queue for MSQ roulette. You sign up knowing full well the cutscenes are there, therefore you face the consequences. Basic adulthood really.

[ForteNightshade]

I still think the only wat to solve this problem is making the reward and the end to scale on the lenght of the roulette you just did.
That way if you are wiping and taking a lot of time it still will be worth, because when you finish it, you will will get a lot of exp worth your time and effort on clearing something that took several wipes.
So it wont matter if you take something fast or long, it will be the same exp/time consuming

They can't tie experience to time spent because people would intentionally cause wipes to bloat their EXP gains. If they go the EXP route, it will be a fixed amount like how Prae is higher than Castrum.

I dont know why you dont like Sastasha, is by far the best on exp wise. It takes 15 minutes and gives you ton of experience.

Because it's mind numbingly boring. It also isn't the best. All the Shadowbringer dungeons, and even most Stormblood ones, scale much better. Not to mention, they're nearly as fast even with a party full of chimps.

[Clouse_Cleyra]

They can't tie experience to time spent because people would intentionally cause wipes to bloat their EXP gains. If they go the EXP route, it will be a fixed amount like how Prae is higher than Castrum.




Because it's mind numbingly boring. It also isn't the best. All the Shadowbringer dungeons, and even most Stormblood ones, scale much better. Not to mention, they're nearly as fast even with a party full of chimps.

Not that much sense wiping on purpose cause it would take you more time, time that you can be using to gain exp on dungeons or doing other stuff.
Everybody likes prae because its long on CS so you dont even need to be on the game, its basically free exp.

[Iscah]

I got Orbonne last week in my roulette and it was wipe after wipe. At the 3rd boss, the raid abandoned duty and I wasted almost an hour of my game time [...]

I think SE need to adjust the difficulty of Orbonne first and foremost. I'm not saying to make it mind-numbing boring like CT/ST, but the mechanics (especially on the third boss) are way too hard IMO for a regular roulette duty.

This seems to not be an issue on JP servers, or at least Elemental. Wipes are rare and most people seem to know what they're doing - at least enough to keep everything running.

[Suniva]

You're not forced to queue for MSQ roulette. You sign up knowing full well the cutscenes are there, therefore you face the consequences. Basic adulthood really.

Um, yes. Yes I know this. The point of me making the statement was that RoyalBeef had stated that the game has no right to force things onto players. I simply made it a point that anyone that DOES queue up for MSQ is going to be forced to watch the cutscenes, regardless if they want to or not. I am sorry if you were not able to figure out the context of me having made the statement, but I hope I clarified it enough for you.

[ForteNightshade]

Not that much sense wiping on purpose cause it would take you more time, time that you can be using to gain exp on dungeons or doing other stuff.
Everybody likes prae because its long on CS so you dont even need to be on the game, its basically free exp.

But your suggestion implied tying EXP to the length it took, thereby making it potentially beneficial to wipe as it takes longer. And no, people prefer Prae because it gives a boatload of EXP whereas Castrum isn't worth the roulette at all.

[LaylaTsarra]

But your suggestion implied tying EXP to the length it took, thereby making it potentially beneficial to wipe as it takes longer. And no, people prefer Prae because it gives a boatload of EXP whereas Castrum isn't worth the roulette at all.

Shouldn't be a time based reward but level based. 50 level raids should reward less experience than 60 and so on.

The content (drops) are sure something most aren't interested in anymore although some do want them for glamour. When Orbonne was relevant for gear, tokens, materia rewards people didn't mind so much when they got that in a roulette because the other content was soemthing they may have wanted stil. That sure isn't the case anymore.

[Noitems]

LotA and ST take about 15-20 minutes. They're run so often people get their bonuses quicker.

I've been getting a lot of Void Ark lately which is nice, something more to actually do then Zerg rush.

Also had my first complete Orbonne run without vote abandoning last night in months. Almost missed the dps check on TG Cid but we managed because I melee lb 1'd before it 100.

Once the first Yorha raid comes out expect to have a lot of that too, which I'm totally in favor for but only if people don't vote abandon for it.