Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[Suniva]

Reward has to match the difficulty because if it doesnt people arent gonna waste time as in if one enters Orbonne they'll nope out of there fast because a 30min lockout + reque is currently faster on average than clearing that instance because there far fewer good players doing it.

Yes, many of us that are unhappy with people lowering their ilvl are okay with this as a compromise. Right now, the max reward is fixed, and do I think it is fair that people are getting maximum reward for little effort? Not really, no, but that's not to say that I don't understand the perspective, because I do. It MAKES sense.

However, when SE implemented the roulette system way back in 2.1, it was so that players would get rewarded for being thrown in, albeit randomly, into a much lower level instance then their actual level to HELP new players and ensuring that older content doesn't die. I would like to see the roulette system be more roulette like, while also giving appropriate rewards based on the level on the content. I don't think I am being unreasonable in my request.

[Flay_wind]

Because the entire purpose of a roulette is providing queues for content you wouldn't otherwise do. No one wants to do Satasha or Solm Al but due to there being no ilvl requirement on Leveling Roulette, you have to deal with it. Meanwhile, queues take forever on the Ivalice raids which is precisely what the Roulette aims to avoid. So no, it isn't working as intended. This is simply an exploit the devs didn't think people would do.

Leveling Roulette is another can of worms. No one wants Sastasha, Copperbell, or basically anything pre 50. Why it puts me and other 3 60+ leveled players into Sastasha? This needs fixing first, imo.

[Driavna]

That was in response to a person implying that a 20 min Alliance Roulette Queue would somehow be a sign that the content is dead. So I stated that 20 mins are a normal queue time for me for almost every roulette.

So you're saying it's likely that it's only me and 23 other people who get varying Raids while everyone else doesn't? And you want me to proof that that's not the case? lol

People are doing ead content just fine, I hop on PF and help people all the time, so me cheesing alliance just evens that out ^^ Wonder how many of you guy who are so concerned about "new players" go out of their way to help them clear stuff without getting roulette rewards for it :P

I don't want you to prove anything because I am pretty sure you are talking out of the blue and pretending is more valid than what I said. You are also adding others to support your argument without more proof than your word. All of this while you keep ignoring the main point.

As a plus you tried to justify your attitude as is something that needed to be justified. I personally I don't care about what you or others do, banning you don't solve my problem. I want the roulette working as supposed to be and that's only SE can do.

Answering your question: I que for any content with the option to fill parties in progress activated and I always que as the rol in need. I know, I earned my ticket to FFXIV heaven! If I wasn't so modest I will list all my deeds. /s

Leveling Roulette is another can of worms. No one wants Sastasha, Copperbell, or basically anything pre 50. Why it puts me and other 3 60+ leveled players into Sastasha? This needs fixing first, imo.

Random is Random.

Edit: Anyway, I guess SE will do something with the relic if they don't want to change the roulette.

[Suniva]

What i meant is, basically, i skipped doing HW raids, as such they aren't even unlocked. And because of that the game can't put me anywhere else but ARR raids, even if my character is level 60+. And so other 23 players who queued for Alliance Roulette and got matched with me, get only ARR raids as a result, because that's the only raids I can access on a 50-69 job on my character.

Ohh ! Okay ! Thank you, I understand now.

I honestly have never considered this point until you mentioned it, so thank you for the fresh perspective. Taking into consideration your particular case, I would say that if you want to put in the minimum effort using roulette, then you should get the minimum reward. Your scenario, in all honesty, further enforces the idea in my head that the roulette system should have tiered rewards. (My own perspective of course, and I'm sure some would disagree with me). I just feel that if you want to put in the minimum amount of effort, then you should get the minimum amount of reward, whereas if someone who uses roulette and gets a higher level raid, will get more of a reward because granted, they would have to put forth a little bit more effort to get past it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all trying to say that I don't understand the perspective of those that drop their ilvl down, I do. Their arguments DO make sense, but on the other side, roulette IS roulette, which means random. The fact that people DO in fact drop down their ilvl BECAUSE they don't WANT to get a random raid, really does defeat the purpose of it being a roulette system to begin with, and I feel like that that is underhanded tactics.

I mean, I know this is a game and all, but if we step outside for a moment and consider this. The reason I feel the way I feel is because I put the situation in the following perspective:

In any other circumstance, if there was a roulette system and you found a way to bypass the random bit that makes it a functioning roulette to work constantly in your favor, then you would face some kind of consequence because your rigging the system to generate a favorable outcome for you. In any other instance, it's generally acknowledged as cheating, but here? Nah, it isn't and only because SE hasn't done anything to address it. I would like to see it addressed in some form, and I think I have been very open to suggestions thus far.

[Strika23]

I've never removed my gear before alliance roulette. I understand the rationale behind a lot of level 80 players doing it who have Orbonne unlocked though. I got Orbonne last week in my roulette and it was wipe after wipe. At the 3rd boss, the raid abandoned duty and I wasted almost an hour of my game time (which on a normal evening I only have 1-2 hours max due to my work schedule). I can see why people do it, though I have never practiced this trend myself like many others commenting here as I don't think it's the ethical thing to do.

I think SE need to adjust the difficulty of Orbonne first and foremost. I'm not saying to make it mind-numbing boring like CT/ST, but the mechanics (especially on the third boss) are way too hard IMO for a regular roulette duty. I think SE also needs to increase the amount of bonus exp for those of us max level characters who get the SB Raids in our roulette overall. I definitely think it's not right that people who run ST or CT in 15 mins get the same experience as players who rough it out and stay to finish a successful Orbonne run for 1 hour + depending on the group you get. I also think they can put something in place if the Orbonne or other harder raids are abandoned, give a "attempt made" bonus exp for those people who wasted so much time trying to get their clear. Just a few suggestions...

[LaylaTsarra]

I think SE need to adjust the difficulty of Orbonne first and foremost. I'm not saying to make it mind-numbing boring like CT/ST, but the mechanics (especially on the third boss) are way too hard IMO for a regular roulette duty.

They don't need to make the duty easier. They do need to make the effort worth the reward which is the main problem. If that many people are cheesing ilevel it's because they don't want to do what you experienced, waste over an hour of their time to end up in an abandon. It's not like alliance is all that profitable experience wise to begin with.

[Suniva]

I've never removed my gear before alliance roulette. I understand the rationale behind a lot of level 80 players doing it who have Orbonne unlocked though. I got Orbonne last week in my roulette and it was wipe after wipe. At the 3rd boss, the raid abandoned duty and I wasted almost an hour of my game time (which on a normal evening I only have 1-2 hours max due to my work schedule). I can see why people do it, though I have never practiced this trend myself like many others commenting here as I don't think it's the ethical thing to do.

I think SE need to adjust the difficulty of Orbonne first and foremost. I'm not saying to make it mind-numbing boring like CT/ST, but the mechanics (especially on the third boss) are way too hard IMO for a regular roulette duty. I think SE also needs to increase the amount of bonus exp for those of us max level characters who get the SB Raids in our roulette overall. I definitely think it's not right that people who run ST or CT in 15 mins get the same experience as players who rough it out and stay to finish a successful Orbonne run for 1 hour + depending on the group you get. I also think they can put something in place if the Orbonne or other harder raids are abandoned, give a "attempt made" bonus exp for those people who wasted so much time trying to get their clear. Just a few suggestions...

All good and fair suggestions! Thank you.

[Jybril]

Weed "people like me" out? For lowering my ilvl when I don't feel like doing Orbonne at 11.30pm? Really xD What's next? Suggesting my deportation to a Gulag?
10/10

You're really going to the extremes here for some reason with that joke...
1st of all, the entire point of the roulettes is to have old content stay alive and help newbies get through it.
Without the MSQ one no one in their right mind would ever do it but you get a nice bonus for going.
I severely doubt that you cheesing your ilvl is what they wanted people to do.

Needs a fix, and also adjust the EXP earned from it.
You get the same from 15 min Tower than you do in 30+ min Orbonne.

[LaylaTsarra]

You get the same from 15 min Tower than you do in 30+ min Orbonne.

Exactly and one just needs to see how frequent people leave main if they don't get Praetorium these days. That is becoming somewhat common now as well. You see it mostly with tanks and healers but they're not the only ones who leave because of the experience difference and this isn't an ilevel or gear issue. It simply has to do with the reward/effort/time involved.

I personally think its foolish give you can draw Castrum 10 times ins a row.

[ForteNightshade]

They could fix this by locking Alliance Roulette until you both unlock all the raids for your appropriate level and require the highest ilvl. For example sake, if you just finished Heavensward, you now have to unlock The Mhach series to regain access. I would still increase Ivalice exp but also slightly bring down what CT offers. Both would balance it out.

Leveling Roulette is another can of worms. No one wants Sastasha, Copperbell, or basically anything pre 50. Why it puts me and other 3 60+ leveled players into Sastasha? This needs fixing first, imo.

Probably to discourage people from PFing it to guarantee the highest level dungeon, which may slow down queues for baby dungeons like Copperbell.