Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[DynnDiablos]

I will say this again: the main idea of alliance roulette is to fill all 24m raids (was announced in one of the live letters like that). SE need to change whatever is necessary so the roulette works as intended (like they did with MSQ). As simple as that.

Then they can queue for that specific raid and wait. Period.

[Suniva]

Then they can queue for that specific raid and wait. Period.

Why this again? People use the system daily for the rewards; if they queue for a particular raid, they aren't getting the rewards offered by using the Duty Roulette. Those that DO queue up for a particular instance are either:

A) Going through it the first time
B) Going for glamour

Driavna has made it clear in bringing up the points that the system was implemented so that ALL of the raids would be available, not just one or two, which in turn, was supposed to help with queue times for those in category A and B. If this was a single player game, you playing the game in a way that ideally fits YOUR needs would be fine. Unfortunately, this is not a single player game. There are others that do not enjoy the fact that their peers are rigging the system to their particular tastes, thereby forcing the system to register the same instances repeatedly, defeating the purpose of the roulette system.

[RoyalBeef]

Driavna has made it clear in bringing up the points that the system was implemented so that ALL of the raids would be available, not just one or two,

And they are. At regular ilvl I get Orbonne, Lighthouse, Rabanstare, Void Ark, you name it. People are acting as if those raids are impossible to pop, which isn't the case. The whole discussion is based on annecdotal evidence and "statistics" of 2-3 people

[Driavna]

And they are. At regular ilvl I get Orbonne, Lighthouse, Rabanstare, Void Ark, you name it. People are acting as if those raids are impossible to pop, which isn't the case. The whole discussion is based on annecdotal evidence and "statistics" of 2-3 people

You are the only one so far that has stated that que for those roulettes is a 20m wait time at best without offering any other than your word. Of course, since you are the one doing it it's all ok and dandy.

Anyway, I love how you are ignoring the main point: the roulette was created to help people to do otherwise dead content without them. But hey, details.

[RoyalBeef]

You are the only one so far that has stated that que for those roulettes is a 20m wait time at best without offering any other proof that your own experience. Of course, since you are the one doing it it's all ok and dandy.

Anyway, I love how you are ignoring the main point: the roulette was created to help people to do dead content without it. But hey, details.

That was in response to a person implying that a 20 min Alliance Roulette Queue would somehow be a sign that the content is dead. So I stated that 20 mins are a normal queue time for me for almost every roulette.

So you're saying it's likely that it's only me and 23 other people who get varying Raids while everyone else doesn't? And you want me to proof that that's not the case? lol

People are doing ead content just fine, I hop on PF and help people all the time, so me cheesing alliance just evens that out ^^ Wonder how many of you guy who are so concerned about "new players" go out of their way to help them clear stuff without getting roulette rewards for it :P

[Suniva]

And they are. At regular ilvl I get Orbonne, Lighthouse, Rabanstare, Void Ark, you name it. People are acting as if those raids are impossible to pop, which isn't the case. The whole discussion is based on annecdotal evidence and "statistics" of 2-3 people

Please point out where anyone in this thread said it was "impossible" to get one of the other instances. No one has said that. We are stating the facts, which is that a group of players rig the roulette system so they get lower level alliance raids, thereby forcing 23 others (or less depending) into the raid THEY want to do, thereby rigging the roulette system, and we don't like that.

Again, please stop strawmanning. You and I do not agree, and that is fine. But there is no reason for you to take mine, or others words, out of context to make yourself seem like you're in the right.

[Flay_wind]

Why this again? People use the system daily for the rewards; if they queue for a particular raid, they aren't getting the rewards offered by using the Duty Roulette. Those that DO queue up for a particular instance are either:

A) Going through it the first time
B) Going for glamour

Driavna has made it clear in bringing up the points that the system was implemented so that ALL of the raids would be available, not just one or two, which in turn, was supposed to help with queue times for those in category A and B. If this was a single player game, you playing the game in a way that ideally fits YOUR needs would be fine. Unfortunately, this is not a single player game. There are others that do not enjoy the fact that their peers are rigging the system to their particular tastes, thereby forcing the system to register the same instances repeatedly, defeating the purpose of the roulette system.

Okay, i'll chime in. For example i have only Crystal Tower and Ivalice Raids unlocked. I only queue into Alliance Roulette on a 50-69 character i am currently leveling to max. Other 23 players that are queued with me into that particular Raid Roulette all funneled to Crystal Tower Raids only, because that's the only thing available to me personally. Do i cheat the system or not and how wrong is for me to do it?

[Suniva]

Okay, i'll chime in. For example i have only Crystal Tower and Ivalice Raids unlocked. I only queue into Alliance Roulette on a 50-69 character i am currently leveling to max. Other 23 players that are queued with me into that particular Raid Roulette all funneled to Crystal Tower Raids only, because that's the only thing available to me personally. Do i cheat the system or not and how wrong is for me to do it?

I'm sorry, but I really do not understand what you're trying to ask me here..Is it a pre made since you have 23 other people queue'd with you? How are you having to cheat the system? (How do you have Ivalice Raids unlocked if you're 69? They become available at 70) I'm sorry I don't understand your question, so I cannot really give you an answer.

[Flay_wind]

I'm sorry, but I really do not understand what you're trying to ask me here..Is it a pre made since you have 23 other people queue'd with you? How are you having to cheat the system? I'm sorry I don't understand your question, so I cannot really give you an answer.

What i meant is, basically, i skipped doing HW raids, as such they aren't even unlocked. And because of that the game can't put me anywhere else but ARR raids, even if my character is level 60+. And so other 23 players who queued for Alliance Roulette and got matched with me, get only ARR raids as a result, because that's the only raids I can access on a 50-69 job on my character.

[Suniva]

What i meant is, basically, i skipped doing HW raids, as such they aren't even unlocked. And because of that the game can't put me anywhere else but ARR raids, even if my character is level 60+. And so other 23 players who queued for Alliance Roulette and got matched with me, get only ARR raids as a result, because that's the only raids I can access on a 50-69 job on my character.

Ohh ! Okay ! Thank you, I understand now.

I honestly have never considered this point until you mentioned it, so thank you for the fresh perspective. Taking into consideration your particular case, I would say that if you want to put in the minimum effort using roulette, then you should get the minimum reward. Your scenario, in all honesty, further enforces the idea in my head that the roulette system should have tiered rewards. (My own perspective of course, and I'm sure some would disagree with me). I just feel that if you want to put in the minimum amount of effort, then you should get the minimum amount of reward, whereas if someone who uses roulette and gets a higher level raid, will get more of a reward because granted, they would have to put forth a little bit more effort to get past it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all trying to say that I don't understand the perspective of those that drop their ilvl down, I do. Their arguments DO make sense, but on the other side, roulette IS roulette, which means random. The fact that people DO in fact drop down their ilvl BECAUSE they don't WANT to get a random raid, really does defeat the purpose of it being a roulette system to begin with, and I feel like that that is underhanded tactics.

I mean, I know this is a game and all, but if we step outside for a moment and consider this. The reason I feel the way I feel is because I put the situation in the following perspective:

In any other circumstance, if there was a roulette system and you found a way to bypass the random bit that makes it a functioning roulette to work constantly in your favor, then you would face some kind of consequence because your rigging the system to generate a favorable outcome for you. In any other instance, it's generally acknowledged as cheating, but here? Nah, it isn't and only because SE hasn't done anything to address it. I would like to see it addressed in some form, and I think I have been very open to suggestions thus far.