Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[Suniva]

You can't force plyers to do anything,

I, and other players, are forced to watch cutscenes in MSQ if they que up for it. Nice try.

[RoyalBeef]

I, and other players, are forced to watch cutscenes in MSQ if they que up for it. Nice try.

Yeah, and the ones who dont want to watch those dont do MSq roulette anymore :P What's your point exactly?

[Suniva]

Yeah, and the ones who dont want to watch those dont do MSq roulette anymore :P What's your point exactly?

Those players are very few and far in between. There's a vast difference when queing up for an MSQ and it takes less than 5 minutes and if you que for Orbonne it takes 20 minutes or more (Had a friend that was farming the tank glamour and one day she was in que for well over 2 hours).

[RoyalBeef]

Those players are very few and far in between. There's a vast difference when queing up for an MSQ and it takes less than 5 minutes and if you que for Orbonne it takes 20 minutes or more (Had a friend that was farming the tank glamour and one day she was in que for well over 2 hours).

20 minutes are a pretty common Queue time for basically everything on my DC as DPS, so I don't see the issue, aside from people being spoiled by insta queues.

[Driavna]

20 minutes are a pretty common Queue time for basically everything on my DC as DPS, so I don't see the issue, aside from people being spoiled by insta queues.

I really want an SS about this, because it is true I will even consider moving.

[Suniva]

20 minutes are a pretty common Queue time for basically everything on my DC as DPS, so I don't see the issue, aside from people being spoiled by insta queues.

That's fine you don't see an issue. If you think it is fine for you, then that is your own personal belief. However, there are other players (myself being one) that would enjoy the variety that comes from using a system that carries "roulette" in the name rather than seeing the same two instances repeatedly since the other group wants to cheese the system. You and I have clearly two different perspectives on the matter, and right now, the way I would like the system to be used is severely undermined by those who share your sentiments. I don't think it is particularly fair that one group gets to rig the system in their favor to get what they want while the other group is left being disappointed by the lack of variety.

As someone suggested earlier in the discussion, fixing the rewards would be one way to make it worthwhile to players. There is very much an imbalance in the rewards considering how much easier it is to do the ARR raids rather than the SB ones. I don't see why there shouldn't be a discussion to try and resolve the issue to make it satisfying for both camps.

[RoyalBeef]

I don't think it is particularly fair that one group gets to get want they want and the other group is left being disappointed by the lack of variety.

You're always free to queue up for any Alliance Raid you want to see at any time. I get Eden 4 in Trial roulette every time I queue up, that's just how it is. You telling me getting Orbonne 90 out of 100 times bc new restrictions would be more variety than getting LotA 90 out of 100 times bc people are cheesing?

[Driavna]

You're always free to queue up for any Alliance Raid you want to see at any time. I get Eden 4 in Trial roulette every time I queue up, that's just how it is. You telling me getting Orbonne 90 out of 100 times bc new restrictions would be more variety than getting LotA 90 out of 100 times bc people are cheesing?

E4 is not trial but normal raid (I know was a typo) and is more common right now because people are farming them. Once the new 24m raid release the alliance roulette will funnel all 80s there for a good while.

[Suniva]

You're always free to queue up for any Alliance Raid you want to see at any time. I get Eden 4 in Trial roulette every time I queue up, that's just how it is. You telling me getting Orbonne 90 out of 100 times bc new restrictions would be more variety than getting LotA 90 out of 100 times bc people are cheesing?

You're missing the point, or choosing to ignore it. The issue is not whether I can queue up for a particular dungeon of my choosing or not. We are discussing how there is a system in game, called Duty Roulette: Alliance, that is, ideally, in place to give players a reward for sitting through the system and getting one of nine randomly chosen instances to do for the day (It is why it is termed roulette). We all know and are aware that we can queue up for a particular instance if we wanted to, no one is trying to say otherwise. I can easily turn the argument around and say if you don't like the idea of getting anything other than LoTA or WoD for you to queue up for those particular raids yourself and not go out of your way "rigging" the roulette in your favor.

Please don't try and undermine our concerns by giving these strawman arguments. We all want the rewards that come from using the system and some of us would like to use the system without it being "rigged" by others.

[Vidu]

You're always free to queue up for any Alliance Raid you want to see at any time. I get Eden 4 in Trial roulette every time I queue up, that's just how it is. You telling me getting Orbonne 90 out of 100 times bc new restrictions would be more variety than getting LotA 90 out of 100 times bc people are cheesing?

No, we're telling you that the roulette should put you into one of 9 dungeons at random - together with 23 other people who will influence which dungeons are available. If a lot of those other people are only eglibile for 2 of those 9 dungeons, the likelyhood of those 2 dungeons appearing would increase, leading to less potential variety for everyone. I hope we dont need to go over an introduction to simple statistics here...

Even with the ivl-loophole fixed its obviously still possible to get the same dungeon 10 times in a row, but thats because of bad(?) luck at that point not because people are cheating the system - which makes it less likely that thats gonna happen.