Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[Mirhd]

And sometimes break the queue when they do. I've had around three Orbonne's that had a monstrous time filling empty spots after people leave before the start gates even fall. One incident had several spots that didn't fill from start to Agrias, or even when the whole Alliance collective agreed to wait fifteen minutes to fill the roles. That attempt disbanded, honestly prematurely as the raid is doable these days even with a couple empty spots if people are on top of their game. Another one saw the attempt end at Cid for similar reasons - though this time it was a conga line of 'leaves' and the duty finder outright refusing to fill some of the missing spots even after more agreed upon waiting.

I'd honestly be down for them removing the ability to smurf entirely and impose a harsher penalty for leaving Alliance raids (like actually getting the penalty if you leave even after someone else does) until the player base has the bad behavior collectively beaten out of themselves. Either that or fixing the tuning on the tower climb so that people /have/ to do mechanics so people are less inclined to smurf. Since most of the player base has collectively forgotten how to even do half the mechanics in those raids since HW, since the bosses die so quickly, it'd be a good incentive not to tempt fate. Though they would have to fix some of the Lab mechanics to work with only 3 tanks, since Bone dragon was designed with 6 in mind.

If it weeds out people like Royal Beef and puts them in their place, I'm all for it.

Of course I do, and everyone who says they never done it is either a liar, or hasnt unlocked SB alliance raids yet :P Nice try making it look like I'm engaging in some kind of forbidden or unethical activity tho xD Go ahead, name and shame me for avoiding Orbonne Abandon Roulette, I can take it ^^

Clearly there are those of us that don't, since we still get non-ARR raids from time to time. Glad you aren't on my data center, because people like you are part of a larger problem.

[RoyalBeef]

If it weeds out people like Royal Beef and puts them in their place, I'm all for it.
Clearly there are those of us that don't, since we still get non-ARR raids from time to time. Glad you aren't on my data center, because people like you are part of a larger problem.

Weed "people like me" out? For lowering my ilvl when I don't feel like doing Orbonne at 11.30pm? Really xD What's next? Suggesting my deportation to a Gulag?
10/10

[Flay_wind]

Clearly there are those of us that don't, since we still get non-ARR raids from time to time. Glad you aren't on my data center, because people like you are part of a larger problem.

I have a rather simple question for you. What's the reason you're queuing for Alliance Roulette?

[Mirhd]

Weed "people like me" out? For lowering my ilvl when I don't feel like doing Orbonne at 11.30pm? Really xD What's next? Suggesting my deportation to a Gulag?
10/10

Yes, weed you out. You know, for exploiting an oversight in the system and worsening the experience for others. You're one of many, though, unfortunately.

I have a rather simple question for you. What's the reason you're queuing for Alliance Roulette?

Because I like doing them. Honestly, what response are you expecting? The tomes/exp (if applicable) are a bonus.

[Flay_wind]

Because I like doing them. Honestly, what response are you expecting? The tomes/exp (if applicable) are a bonus.

Okay. So, tomes/exp are just a bonus. Then, why not just queue for a raid you want to run instead of complaining about getting the raid you do not want in roulette?

[Suniva]

I have a rather simple question for you. What's the reason you're queuing for Alliance Roulette?

I know it wasn't directed at me, but if you don't mind my answer your question. It is named alliance roulette, so I would like to assume it would allow me to participate in one of the many alliance raids that are made available in the game. That and I find it is also in place to try and assist newer players or people leveling their alts to have a decent que time for getting through content they are interested in. (Plus, back in early ARR days, before the daily roulette system, people where no longer running old content because it just wasn't worth doing. So a lot of new players coming to the game where having issues getting through story dungeons. The roulette system was put in place with the rewards we now have specifically for the purpose of helping newer players/alts get through the content). It is why I have the beliefs that I do.


I understand there are a group of players that enjoy lowering their ilvl because they would much rather face roll through content rather than "waste their time", and while I respect that that they want to play the game their own way, I still think there should be some kind of system in place to make it more "roulette" like and less "Okay, so it's either WoD or LoTA today."

[Mirhd]

I think there should be some kind of system in place to make it more "roulette" like and less "Okay, so it's either WoD or LoTA today."

It's amazing how many people don't understand something this simple. Like I said, i like running Alliance Roulette. I don't enjoy a lack of variety in said roulette.

Okay. So, tomes/exp are just a bonus. Then, why not just queue for a raid you want to run instead of complaining about getting the raid you do not want in roulette?

See above.

[Flay_wind]

I know it wasn't directed at me, but if you don't mind my answer your question. It is named alliance roulette, so I would like to assume it would allow me to participate in one of the many alliance raids that are made available in the game. That and I find it is also in place to try and assist newer players or people leveling their alts to have a decent que time for getting through content they are interested in.

I understand there are a group of players that enjoy lowering their ilvl because they would much rather face roll through content rather than "waste their time", and while I respect that that they want to play the game their own way, I still think there should be some kind of system in place to make it more "roulette" like and less "Okay, so it's either WoD or LoTA today."

That's a fair point. On one hand it's a good system in theory. Help newer people to run older content. It works to a point. On the other hand there are rewards as an incentive, but said rewards are the same no matter what the difficulty of Dungeon/Trial/Raid etc, etc. And that's where we are currently. People want rewards and do not want difficulty associated with obtaining said rewards.

[Driavna]

That's a fair point. On one hand it's a good system in theory. Help newer people to run older content. It works to a point. On the other hand there are rewards as an incentive, but said rewards are the same no matter what the difficulty of Dungeon/Trial/Raid etc, etc. And that's where we are currently. People want rewards and do not want difficulty associated with obtaining said rewards.

I going to disagree, people want extremely easy content. Even if SE up the rewards I venture to say people will still be lowering their ILvL because the chance of not being available to clear certain raids is there (and is not the content is super hard or anything). Already happen with normal trials like Titania, it's not that rare having players leaving right away.

Someone used MSQ as an example with people leaving Castrum for Praetorium, they do that because both are equally easy and nothing else.

[Suniva]

That's a fair point. On one hand it's a good system in theory. Help newer people to run older content. It works to a point. On the other hand there are rewards as an incentive, but said rewards are the same no matter what the difficulty of Dungeon/Trial/Raid etc, etc. And that's where we are currently. People want rewards and do not want difficulty associated with obtaining said rewards.

I've been playing long enough to remember when we didn't have dailies. When new players would come to the game and where pretty much screwed unless they were in an FC so that they could have people run them through the story dungeons. The whole daily roulette system was put in place to help address that problem before it became too much of an issue. The fact that people "cheese" the system nowadays the way that they do, in my opinion, defeats the entire purpose of why it was implemented to begin with. So again, I know these are my own personal beliefs, but this is why I stand by my argument as I do.