Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[Driavna]

Asking for a fix is implying there is something wrong with the system. It's working as intended tho ^^ Next thing you know, people ask for it to become a reportable offense. Some time in the future you'll be banned for equipping lower gear, or like in the other thread, for putting you PF party in the wrong category ^^
People who do that obviously don't want to play the raid you queued for, so why implement something that forces them and wil lead to them leaving or not queuing up anymore? As if that fixes your queues times.

The system is broken. The main idea behind those roulettes was to keep alive all alliance raids, not only ARR one. Once this expansion end ShB 24m series is going to be added to the problem, same for the next one. So yeah, SE needs to do something.

Anyway, I take this as living proof of how terrible the average player has become in this game. None of the alliance raids is that hard and most of the mechanic indicators are standard across the whole content since late HW or just require a modicum of awareness: "I wonder why everyone is hiding behind that pillar..."

However, at this point, I will be more than ok with SE removing the daily limit for MSQ bonus and keep all the players that want to turn off their brain, don't care about gearing up and don't want to bother to learn the basics of the class they are playing in a single place.

Edit: I will add that for any non-expert or savage content performance of mid-green is more than enough to have a super smooth run in a timely fashion. And experts only requires a little bit more of awareness and high-green low-blue to clear without any major issue.

[Vidu]

Of course I do, and everyone who says they never done it is either a liar, or hasnt unlocked SB alliance raids yet :P Nice try making it look like I'm engaging in some kind of forbidden or unethical activity tho xD Go ahead, name and shame me for avoiding Orbonne Abandon Roulette, I can take it ^^

I've never done that because I accept that queuing for a roulette means I'm fine with running any content that roulette can put me in at my level. I get the reward for running the roulette because I'm willing to participate in the content I'm thrown in at random - and thats pretty obviously the way it was intended to be.

The easiest fix for the moment would probably be to remove the ilvl-requirements for the 24-man-raids from the past expansions. If people can end up in Holminster with an ilvl of 290, they can do Orbonne with that ilvl. Once they found a way to fix ilvls for leveling roulette, they can apply the same fix to the alliance roulette to make sure you can only queue for it if you have the appropriate level and ilvl (=the ilvl required for the highste possible raid) for it.
Right now its not working as intended and we shouldnt promote such abusive of the system, for our own sake. Arent we all annoyed by people not being able to execute simple mechanics? Arent we all complaining about the lack of a proper learning curve from dungeon to trial to NM raid to Ex-primal to Savage? Neither Labyrinth nor Syrcus Tower give people the chance to learn how to handle mechanics. HW and SB raids would have a better shot at that - but of course its best to avoid those and then end up surprised when people fail the trials in your trial roulette...

[Tone19]

I'm pretty sick of those first two alliance raids too and happy to go through anything else to be honest.
Though it's very weird that there is so many people who can't do Orbonne.

[Suniva]

Asking for a fix is implying there is something wrong with the system. It's working as intended tho ^^ Next thing you know, people ask for it to become a reportable offense. Some time in the future you'll be banned for equipping lower gear, or like in the other thread, for putting you PF party in the wrong category ^^
People who do that obviously don't want to play the raid you queued for, so why implement something that forces them and wil lead to them leaving or not queuing up anymore? As if that fixes your queues times.

Remember the days of MSQ when you could speed run and leave newbies in cinematic hell? Back then, it was also "working as intended". And what did SE do, they implemented a "fix" that not only disabled people skipping scenes, but giving far more exp for it. There were of course, naysayers that said people wouldn't que up for MSQ roulette since they couldn't skip the scenes anymore, and we all know how much that has been dis proven. There are many ways the issue could be handled and make it more worthwhile to all types of players, you just have to have an open mind.

Of course I do, and everyone who says they never done it is either a liar, or hasnt unlocked SB alliance raids yet :P Nice try making it look like I'm engaging in some kind of forbidden or unethical activity tho xD Go ahead, name and shame me for avoiding Orbonne Abandon Roulette, I can take it ^^

I honestly never have participated in the practice in all my years playing. Want to call me a liar, go ahead.

[Mirhd]

And sometimes break the queue when they do. I've had around three Orbonne's that had a monstrous time filling empty spots after people leave before the start gates even fall. One incident had several spots that didn't fill from start to Agrias, or even when the whole Alliance collective agreed to wait fifteen minutes to fill the roles. That attempt disbanded, honestly prematurely as the raid is doable these days even with a couple empty spots if people are on top of their game. Another one saw the attempt end at Cid for similar reasons - though this time it was a conga line of 'leaves' and the duty finder outright refusing to fill some of the missing spots even after more agreed upon waiting.

I'd honestly be down for them removing the ability to smurf entirely and impose a harsher penalty for leaving Alliance raids (like actually getting the penalty if you leave even after someone else does) until the player base has the bad behavior collectively beaten out of themselves. Either that or fixing the tuning on the tower climb so that people /have/ to do mechanics so people are less inclined to smurf. Since most of the player base has collectively forgotten how to even do half the mechanics in those raids since HW, since the bosses die so quickly, it'd be a good incentive not to tempt fate. Though they would have to fix some of the Lab mechanics to work with only 3 tanks, since Bone dragon was designed with 6 in mind.

If it weeds out people like Royal Beef and puts them in their place, I'm all for it.

Of course I do, and everyone who says they never done it is either a liar, or hasnt unlocked SB alliance raids yet :P Nice try making it look like I'm engaging in some kind of forbidden or unethical activity tho xD Go ahead, name and shame me for avoiding Orbonne Abandon Roulette, I can take it ^^

Clearly there are those of us that don't, since we still get non-ARR raids from time to time. Glad you aren't on my data center, because people like you are part of a larger problem.

[Enla]

I'm pretty sick of those first two alliance raids too and happy to go through anything else to be honest.
Though it's very weird that there is so many people who can't do Orbonne.

I think it's because you can't cheese Orbonne. It's less that some people can't do it and more that a lot of them think that since it's older content a lot of it's more dangerous mechanics can be gotten through with minimal fuss. Then, after seeing that no, this raid still requires your brain to be moderately functional, most people just leave rather than think. And why wouldn't they? They have the tower climb which literally has had entire phases and mechanics thrown into irrelevancy with the ilvl power creep. Such that wipe mechanics like Scylla's daybreak barely tickle and you haven't had to use Glasya's floating platforms in that raid since the mid-portion of HW.

Honestly more than them fixing the ilvl disparity I would again like them to fix the tuning on the tower climb. I might be alone in this but I kinda miss the days when those raids actually required people to pay attention.

[RoyalBeef]

Idk, I can queue up for Orbonne and it pops in about 20 mins, same time it takes to pop a Q for LotA. I don't know what the problem is. None of the Alliance Raids are dead, just bc one or two player get ARR often :P You can't force plyers to do anything, they will just not do it anymore. Acting as if it's impossible for people to clear the raids is unrealistic.
And I doubt that Alliance raids are the place for people to learn mechanics and how their class works. 30% of the force can be dead or have abysmal DPS and you can still clear.

[Suniva]

You can't force plyers to do anything,

I, and other players, are forced to watch cutscenes in MSQ if they que up for it. Nice try.

[RoyalBeef]

If it weeds out people like Royal Beef and puts them in their place, I'm all for it.
Clearly there are those of us that don't, since we still get non-ARR raids from time to time. Glad you aren't on my data center, because people like you are part of a larger problem.

Weed "people like me" out? For lowering my ilvl when I don't feel like doing Orbonne at 11.30pm? Really xD What's next? Suggesting my deportation to a Gulag?
10/10

[Flay_wind]

Clearly there are those of us that don't, since we still get non-ARR raids from time to time. Glad you aren't on my data center, because people like you are part of a larger problem.

I have a rather simple question for you. What's the reason you're queuing for Alliance Roulette?