Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[Gemina]

This exploit pretty much goes against why we have that damn roulette in the first place. I had a friend rejoin the game and he wanted to wrap up Dun Scaith. We were in the queue for well over an hour and decided to give up. As a last attempt, we tried the roulette and prayed, and it threw us right into LoTA. I seriously lost me marbles.

I don't know how SE can address and fix this, but the roulette is NOT working as intended. I will gladly take a nightmare run of Orbonne over any of the Crystal Tower raids at this point. The only thing I can think of is placing a ilv requirement based on your current level to even queue up for it. As an example lv70+ players would need to meet the requirements to enter Orbonne to use the alliance raid roulette. That's probably not the answer, but all I can come up with. I'm still steamed about last night to put any kind of constructive thought into it.

[DynnDiablos]

When I do alliance raid, I want to get in and get out. I'm not interested in spending an hour in the SB raids wiping over and over. So yes, I am thrilled people lower their ilevel (which is not against any ToS) to get the lower ones over and over. It's a quick 20 minutes and great little bit of XP.

[Raiya]

Lets be clear here no matter what anyone else moans about it's not an exploit if its working as intended. You can reduce your ilvl to get lower ones or simply not bother unlocking the runs to never get them. That's just how it works so deal with it. That's just being dramatic for dramas sake. Let's also be blunt here, the newer raids are harder than the older one's and people do the roulette not to help you out but to get exp. That's the blunt truth.

People also aren't interested in wiping repeatedly over and over because other people simply cannot learn the mechanics or are downright incompetent. The newer ones take 45~1hr expecially Orbonne and the Thunder God: Slayer of Muppets, closer of Pools. Crystal tower takes under 15min and has no wipes. There's your problem. People want stress free runs not ragequitting and going round in circles. The only way your going to get more people to run them is quite simply to drastically increase the exp from the higher level runs or increase the rewards for clearing them.

Reward has to match the difficulty because if it doesnt people arent gonna waste time as in if one enters Orbonne they'll nope out of there fast because a 30min lockout + reque is currently faster on average than clearing that instance because there far fewer good players doing it.

[Suniva]

Reward has to match the difficulty because if it doesnt people arent gonna waste time as in if one enters Orbonne they'll nope out of there fast because a 30min lockout + reque is currently faster on average than clearing that instance because there far fewer good players doing it.

Yes, many of us that are unhappy with people lowering their ilvl are okay with this as a compromise. Right now, the max reward is fixed, and do I think it is fair that people are getting maximum reward for little effort? Not really, no, but that's not to say that I don't understand the perspective, because I do. It MAKES sense.

However, when SE implemented the roulette system way back in 2.1, it was so that players would get rewarded for being thrown in, albeit randomly, into a much lower level instance then their actual level to HELP new players and ensuring that older content doesn't die. I would like to see the roulette system be more roulette like, while also giving appropriate rewards based on the level on the content. I don't think I am being unreasonable in my request.

[PyurBlue]

The roulette could just let us opt out of our least favorite tier. The people who want to only run level 50 would be able to do so, and players like me would be willing to queue for it again and help with queue times. As it is now I will never use the Alliance roulette. Getting ARR raids makes me want to stop playing entirely.

[Strika23]

I've never removed my gear before alliance roulette. I understand the rationale behind a lot of level 80 players doing it who have Orbonne unlocked though. I got Orbonne last week in my roulette and it was wipe after wipe. At the 3rd boss, the raid abandoned duty and I wasted almost an hour of my game time (which on a normal evening I only have 1-2 hours max due to my work schedule). I can see why people do it, though I have never practiced this trend myself like many others commenting here as I don't think it's the ethical thing to do.

I think SE need to adjust the difficulty of Orbonne first and foremost. I'm not saying to make it mind-numbing boring like CT/ST, but the mechanics (especially on the third boss) are way too hard IMO for a regular roulette duty. I think SE also needs to increase the amount of bonus exp for those of us max level characters who get the SB Raids in our roulette overall. I definitely think it's not right that people who run ST or CT in 15 mins get the same experience as players who rough it out and stay to finish a successful Orbonne run for 1 hour + depending on the group you get. I also think they can put something in place if the Orbonne or other harder raids are abandoned, give a "attempt made" bonus exp for those people who wasted so much time trying to get their clear. Just a few suggestions...

[LaylaTsarra]

I think SE need to adjust the difficulty of Orbonne first and foremost. I'm not saying to make it mind-numbing boring like CT/ST, but the mechanics (especially on the third boss) are way too hard IMO for a regular roulette duty.

They don't need to make the duty easier. They do need to make the effort worth the reward which is the main problem. If that many people are cheesing ilevel it's because they don't want to do what you experienced, waste over an hour of their time to end up in an abandon. It's not like alliance is all that profitable experience wise to begin with.

[Suniva]

I've never removed my gear before alliance roulette. I understand the rationale behind a lot of level 80 players doing it who have Orbonne unlocked though. I got Orbonne last week in my roulette and it was wipe after wipe. At the 3rd boss, the raid abandoned duty and I wasted almost an hour of my game time (which on a normal evening I only have 1-2 hours max due to my work schedule). I can see why people do it, though I have never practiced this trend myself like many others commenting here as I don't think it's the ethical thing to do.

I think SE need to adjust the difficulty of Orbonne first and foremost. I'm not saying to make it mind-numbing boring like CT/ST, but the mechanics (especially on the third boss) are way too hard IMO for a regular roulette duty. I think SE also needs to increase the amount of bonus exp for those of us max level characters who get the SB Raids in our roulette overall. I definitely think it's not right that people who run ST or CT in 15 mins get the same experience as players who rough it out and stay to finish a successful Orbonne run for 1 hour + depending on the group you get. I also think they can put something in place if the Orbonne or other harder raids are abandoned, give a "attempt made" bonus exp for those people who wasted so much time trying to get their clear. Just a few suggestions...

All good and fair suggestions! Thank you.

[Iscah]

I got Orbonne last week in my roulette and it was wipe after wipe. At the 3rd boss, the raid abandoned duty and I wasted almost an hour of my game time [...]

I think SE need to adjust the difficulty of Orbonne first and foremost. I'm not saying to make it mind-numbing boring like CT/ST, but the mechanics (especially on the third boss) are way too hard IMO for a regular roulette duty.

This seems to not be an issue on JP servers, or at least Elemental. Wipes are rare and most people seem to know what they're doing - at least enough to keep everything running.

[ForteNightshade]

They could fix this by locking Alliance Roulette until you both unlock all the raids for your appropriate level and require the highest ilvl. For example sake, if you just finished Heavensward, you now have to unlock The Mhach series to regain access. I would still increase Ivalice exp but also slightly bring down what CT offers. Both would balance it out.

Leveling Roulette is another can of worms. No one wants Sastasha, Copperbell, or basically anything pre 50. Why it puts me and other 3 60+ leveled players into Sastasha? This needs fixing first, imo.

Probably to discourage people from PFing it to guarantee the highest level dungeon, which may slow down queues for baby dungeons like Copperbell.