Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

[Mirhd]

Again, I was exaggerating to make a point, nobody talks like that in real life (I hope).

Nah, you were just taking perceived condescension and doing the exact same thing you got so worked up over.

Fighting fire with fire doesn't accomplish anything. Especially when the fire wasn't even legitimate in the first place.

Using this qoute because Kaoru_Nagisa expressed it well enough.

The problem is, as people are wont to do on the internet, you jumped the gun and got worked up over one word that never carried the meaning you thought it did (initially, anyway), then attempted to wrap it in the guise of "making a point", looking foolish in the process. One would think people would learn by now not to make certain assumptions on the internet; however, I'm willing to cede the point given the number of trolls that lurk out there, and genuine ill-wishers, so your assumption that I intended the same is not entirely without merit.

As for your comment on the roulette, while I'm still dubious of such claims (I don't know you, after all) I still wholeheartly disagree. Gaming the system was clearly never intended (else the devs never would have addressed it's a problem) and it ruins the experience for many, whether players are new, or simply tired of seeing the same bloody things over and over. I genuinely like the astetics of Lab/Tower, but it's been soured somewhat given how many times I've seen them, and how easily we just stream-roll through them these days. It's dull as dirt.

Maybe they should just have an entirely different roulette for the higher level raids. "Normal" ones included. It'd be nice to not do the Crystal Tower or the first tier of Alexander for once.

Eh... I'm split on this. The ilvl-reducers would just choose the lower level roulettes, which could workout for newer players (depending), but for the other roulette queue times would likely stay the same or end up tanking due to a lack of people. Given we don't know how many players artificially lower their ilvl, it's hard to say for certain.

[Kanitezz]

Eh... I'm split on this. The ilvl-reducers would just choose the lower level roulettes, which could workout for newer players (depending), but for the other roulette queue times would likely stay the same or end up tanking due to a lack of people. Given we don't know how many players artificially lower their ilvl, it's hard to say for certain.

Yes. Being hopeful though, maybe they'd make the rewards for the higher option actually worth trying the gamble once a day.

[Chalbee]

Using this qoute because Kaoru_Nagisa expressed it well enough.

The problem is, as people are wont to do on the internet, you jumped the gun and got worked up over one word that never carried the meaning you thought it did

Fair enough. Perhaps I'm, as they say too online because pet names always read as dripping with condescension to me because that's how they're usually used on social media, as you said "given the number of trolls that lurk out there, and genuine ill-wishers." My apologies for jumping to conclusions.

Gaming the system was clearly never intended

This game's community seems to always find ways to make systems work more efficiently than the devs might have intended (like FATE trains in Anemos, which the devs reportedly did not foresee). I do agree, though, that it can get boring, I also seem to get either LotA or ST 8 out of 10 times I do Alliance. Hopefully they do something about it because on top of being boring, everything dies so easily they aren't even good practice for rotations while you're leveling a new job.

[Mirhd]

Fair enough. Perhaps I'm, as they say too online because pet names always read as dripping with condescension to me because that's how they're usually used on social media, as you said "given the number of trolls that lurk out there, and genuine ill-wishers." My apologies for jumping to conclusions.

Understandable, and I could rant for a while about social media in general, but I'll refrain for everyone's' sanity; there are multiple reasons I don't bother with it beyond the bare minimum, typically. Sure it's been used for great things, but I'm rather jaded given the colossal amount of garbage that goes around.

This game's community seems to always find ways to make systems work more efficiently than the devs might have intended (like FATE trains in Anemos, which the devs reportedly did not foresee). I do agree, though, that it can get boring, I also seem to get either LotA or ST 8 out of 10 times I do Alliance. Hopefully they do something about it because on top of being boring, everything dies so easily they aren't even good practice for rotations while you're leveling a new job.

Efficient, perhaps, but again, at the expense of others. Feel I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but it's a sore spot. Best I can hope for is the devs seriously look into it, because being sick of content not due to it being poorly designed, but because I was forced (not forced to run roulette obviously, but forced to see the same raids 9 times out of 10 after queuing due to factors outside my control) doesn't sit well with me. I don't leave because I just don't like the idea of leaving unless something really egregious happens (and I'm stubborn and prefer to finish what I start). Hell, I didn't leave a Lab run when people decided "hey, we don't need those silly rocks on Behemoth, lets block meteors with our faces!" and ran giants through them, or just parked their rocks on the boss. You can guess what happened... more than once. I don't recall there being a new player bonus that time, either, so uh...

Learning rotations is a thing too, sure. Dummies are an option, but it's nice to practice in older content... when things don't die in 5 seconds.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Of course I do, and everyone who says they never done it is either a liar, or hasnt unlocked SB alliance raids yet :P Nice try making it look like I'm engaging in some kind of forbidden or unethical activity tho xD Go ahead, name and shame me for avoiding Orbonne Abandon Roulette, I can take it ^^

If you are naked when you que in, you will be targeted by my macro and the whole Alliance will know what you did. Some of us don't mind the challenge the other (higher) raids pose and are willing to give it a shot. Just because you want the easy option doesn't mean you should force everyone else to take it. As long as you're willing for everyone to know what you're doing, by all means keep doing it.

EDIT: Also I have NEVER used this exploit ever because I actually learned the all current 24 mans and know how they go. Don't put us in the same boat as you, darling. That's a sinking ship. ������

[Paladinleeds]

If you are naked when you que in, you will be targeted by my macro and the whole Alliance will know what you did.

Congratulations, you just opened yourself up to a harsssment report for it. That, and it only applies when you join the queue. Change gear to only be LOTA/ST, queue, change back to full gear, still be queued for only LOTA/ST (and most people doing it are smart enough to know that's how it works). Chances are, you're hitting more false positives doing that.

And before you accuse me of doing it, I actually prefer it when I get things like Orbonne, gets the brain going, so why would I do ilvl cheese when it goes counter to what I want?

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

If you are naked when you que in, you will be targeted by my macro and the whole Alliance will know what you did.

You can reclothe immediately after queueing for the roulette, though.

[MPNZ]

Just lower the maximum ilv and make it so that dungeons are similar in difficulty as Orborne is right now. But, make sure that the reward has something new that will be reward per two daily bonus gets on Tuesday of every week like a random weapon coffer or like a new universal currency for raid gear. Oh, and make it so that Alliance raid ruelette ignores ilv.

[Commander_Justitia]

I feel like the solution to make other raids as desirable as those two is fairly simple. The ilvlsync of 130 can be lowered to like 100, 130 is just pure overkill.

Players could enjoy the raid mechanics more, maybe even fully. People who limit their ilvl end up in 24raids that take as much time as other raids then, there wouldn't be a benefit to do it. And we would see different raids again.
I wouldn't mind playing a few minutes longer, if I actually am required to use my brain for the mechanics for once.

Other solutions seem to complex or too hard on players imo.

[Edax]

I like the Labyrinth because I'm still trying to get the Fuma set for my Ninja and the roulette is a way to kill 2 birds with one stone.