Please Remove the Inactivity Timer

[Jojoya]

Those are all or mostly small plots, that is why no one is buying them. Have you been in a small house......throw some items in there, and your camera is staring at the back of your head, and there is nothing to look at. Let alone throw a party.

I have watch "small" house FC's throw parties on their EMPTY lawns, as well as in other locations. Simply because the house is literally too small.

Who cars if SE has to actually do work to make every house to be able to upgrade to a large. After all, some of you are saying it is a gil sink system. More people who upgrade, more gil gets removed from the server. Then maybe will no longer see the bots in quarrymill running into and through the ground!

Or people selling houses for 450 million!

Purchased houses on Spriggan as of this morning (early am Pacific (US) time) in Mist, Goblet and Lavender Beds. Every housing district has 720 smalls, 252 mediums and 108 large plots for a total of 1,080 per district and 4,320 per world.

Mist
Small - 61
Medium - 54
Large - 81

Lavender Bedst
Small - 38
Medium - 74
Large - 52

Goblet
Small - 19
Medium - 16
Large - 14

My alt is only 21 so doesn't have access to Shirogane. It tends to be the most popular district so more houses are likely to have been purchased there. Perhaps someone with access could give us the numbers.

Make of the numbers what you want. Looks to me like not every FC is interested in owning a large, or even a medium in many cases, considering what is still available 3 weeks after the wards opened. It also seems pretty clear that blocking individual purchase of a house so only FCs can own is going to leave massively empty wards. Only 13% of the plots in the housing districts I could access have been sold.

As for who cares if SE has to do work to change the wards to fit your vision of what they should be? You clearly don't but intelligent players do. Nothing exists in a vacuum.

[Big_Bap]

Purchased houses on Spriggan as of this morning (early am Pacific (US) time) in Mist, Goblet and Lavender Beds. Every housing district has 720 smalls, 252 mediums and 108 large plots for a total of 1,080 per district and 4,320 per world.

Mist
Small - 61
Medium - 54
Large - 81

Lavender Bedst
Small - 38
Medium - 74
Large - 52

Goblet
Small - 19
Medium - 16
Large - 14

My alt is only 21 so doesn't have access to Shirogane. It tends to be the most popular district so more houses are likely to have been purchased there. Perhaps someone with access could give us the numbers.

Make of the numbers what you want. Looks to me like not every FC is interested in owning a large, or even a medium in many cases, considering what is still available 3 weeks after the wards opened. It also seems pretty clear that blocking individual purchase of a house so only FCs can own is going to leave massively empty wards. Only 13% of the plots in the housing districts I could access have been sold.

As for who cares if SE has to do work to change the wards to fit your vision of what they should be? You clearly don't but intelligent players do. Nothing exists in a vacuum.

I literally posted the number of FC houses on Spriggan two posts ago...

Anyway, 710 fc houses as of right now on Spriggan. 763 for Twintania.

[Elamys]

Those are all or mostly small plots, that is why no one is buying them. Have you been in a small house......throw some items in there, and your camera is staring at the back of your head, and there is nothing to look at. Let alone throw a party.

I have watch "small" house FC's throw parties on their EMPTY lawns, as well as in other locations. Simply because the house is literally too small.

Who cars if SE has to actually do work to make every house to be able to upgrade to a large. After all, some of you are saying it is a gil sink system. More people who upgrade, more gil gets removed from the server. Then maybe will no longer see the bots in quarrymill running into and through the ground!

Or people selling houses for 450 million!

That screenshot shows 3 empty mediums, 1 empty large, and 1 empty beachfront small; all are some of the most coveted plots in the game. It's just funny to see. I don't think Spriggan or Twintania should be used as an example of the housing system working since they're still closed to personal purchase, rather they're examples of the fact that FC demand is far overmet with what we have and that it's personal housing people want.

[TR_RA]

Common misconceptions

"The Inactivity Timer is meant to stop people owning several plots"

"The Inactivity timer is meant to stop overcrowding"

"Housing is for everyone"
Also wrong. While yes, everyone deserves the right to have a go at housing, not everyone is going to GET a housing plot. The Housing Plots need to remain a finite resource in order to keep a demand. If everyone could get one, then there goes a major gil-sink for the game. It's doing its job. What people seem to enjoy ignoring is the apartments out there for people to own a house.

And before anyone says "Apartments aren't houses" or they're not proper instanced housing? Stop being picky. Yeah, you may not get every system with an apartment, but apartments don't auto-demo, they're permanent and about 3/4 the size of a Small (interior at least). For the price you're asked for its purchase, it's a pretty great deal. For everything else, just join an FC and get permissions to grow / water plants. Boom. There you go. All of the systems at your disposal.

I'm not sure how your brain works, but your conceptions are wrong on all of this. What it is and what it is meant to do, is right there in it's name INACTIVITY TIMER. If you are inactive, you lose. Why should a house plot sit there if the owner never uses it? My game-hubby got a plot, decorated it, but never used the house so it went up for auto-demolish even though he was subbed. That is it's purpose. Sub or no sub, if you aren't using it you should lose it. Plus, the rules on this are fairly easy, "enter your house once every 30 days". I mean, shit if you have a house and have it decorated, you should be using it each time you log in to play... summoning bells alone to pull retainers instead of using one by the MB all the time is reason enough to enter your house at least once. Why would you think for a second, just because got a house and spent the gil for decorating and whatever, that they should rightfully keep it if they are unsubbed or never even enter it for months at a time? How is that fair to anyone else? Also, for you to say "Stop being so picky" means you have a house, at least one. Get permissions to grow/water, boom! Yeah, not that simple or fair/accurate/etc since FCs have multiple members and limited in gardening space.

[Kenky]

I'm not sure how your brain works, but your conceptions are wrong on all of this. What it is and what it is meant to do, is right there in it's name INACTIVITY TIMER. If you are inactive, you lose. Why should a house plot sit there if the owner never uses it? My game-hubby got a plot, decorated it, but never used the house so it went up for auto-demolish even though he was subbed. That is it's purpose. Sub or no sub, if you aren't using it you should lose it. Plus, the rules on this are fairly easy, "enter your house once every 30 days". I mean, shit if you have a house and have it decorated, you should be using it each time you log in to play... summoning bells alone to pull retainers instead of using one by the MB all the time is reason enough to enter your house at least once. Why would you think for a second, just because got a house and spent the gil for decorating and whatever, that they should rightfully keep it if they are unsubbed or never even enter it for months at a time? How is that fair to anyone else? Also, for you to say "Stop being so picky" means you have a house, at least one. Get permissions to grow/water, boom! Yeah, not that simple or fair/accurate/etc since FCs have multiple members and limited in gardening space.

The Inactivity timer is fine. You should probably read the first post and see how the OP claimed the Inactivity Timer were all of the things I listed.

And yes, I have a house. I was one of the lucky ones to get it through the current system, but I assume me admitting that means my words means nothing now? Because you'll warp it into some asinine statement of "Well, they have a house. So they dont know what they're talking about" like some people have done here. Not that simple or fair/accurate to assume FCs would welcome new players and make use of the systems they may not be using?

Well, damn. Guess my assumption that FCs would welcome any new player they get, especially when they use the systems of an FC is factually wrong because this one random player said so. Back to the books for me, I guess!

[BehindTheFlowers]

Demolish housing all together, and stop this foolish idea of something personal or private in this game. Spend the server recourses on more game items, better duneons and better area for exploration, gathering and quests.

[MOZZYSTAR]

And before anyone says "Apartments aren't houses" or they're not proper instanced housing? Stop being picky. Yeah, you may not get every system with an apartment, but apartments don't auto-demo, they're permanent and about 3/4 the size of a Small (interior at least). For the price you're asked for its purchase, it's a pretty great deal. For everything else, just join an FC and get permissions to grow / water plants. Boom. There you go. All of the systems at your disposal.

It took me owning a house to really appreciate my apartment, honestly. After finally getting a house, I realised it just wasn't for me. I don't like the stress behind it, and I ended up just using one floor pretty much anyway. Apartments are super customisable in comparison to houses with permanent structural layouts where as with apartments, you can make your own layouts. On top of that, they never get demolished due to inactivity and thus you'll never lose your items.

I think apartments would be better if they offered three different sizes (small, medium, large) + access to an instanced outdoor space for gardening. The only things I miss about having a house is the yard + 200 item count + having a sense of neighbours because I never see my fellow flatmates. I'm really not into FCs anymore and I'm sure there are plenty others, so "join an FC to garden" (not to mention one may not ever get access to garden depending on the FC) isn't really a solution for everyone. But yeah, apartments are great.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I really think Apartments would serve well enough if:

A) FC Apartments were available which would have the extra door to the workshop/FC rooms and access to all the associated features.
B) Both individual and FC Apartments had an instanced "communal garden" area, that could be accessed from the lobby, that is its own instanced outdoor space, where you never see other players, can decorate with outdoor furniture, and can have at least one garden plot.
C) Apartments had at least a 200 placeable object count (same as a small house currently has).

This would make an apartment the equivalent to a small house sans the basement. I would imagine this would require a price hike on apartments or perhaps just make them a new type of "Deluxe Apartment" with a higher price tag. Doing this would likely eliminate the need to add more wards in the future and give access to all housing features regardless of whether you have an apartment or house.

[Palibun]

No, housing is so limited we need the timer, active players deserve houses over players who dont even get on. Im sorry, but the timer is 30 days, possibly even 45 days if i remember right, until you loose the house. You have 1 full month to keep it, and logging on for 1 minute isn't going to kill you, you can even set a reminder on your phone if you forget to log on a lot.

I also never believe the busy excuse, even on my most busy days i can find the time to log on for at least 30 mins to an hour. Things happen, but if you're busy for 30-45 days straight and cant log on for even a minute why are you even playing an mmo?

[Leloa]

To be able to take a break from the game and unsub for more than a month would be nice but no, because I still like my house a lot I am locked to this game.