Please Remove the Inactivity Timer

[Kenky]

If you're going to talk about what you get for having a house and complain about people "ignoring information" then you should know what having a house actually entails, don't you think? FC airships and submarines are not the Diadem/Exploratory Voyage system, they're a completely separate function available only to FCs that you must have a house to access, by using the FC workshop. As stupid as it is there is no other way to access this.

if that is truly the case, then alright. I'll concede the point and leave it be. But I will still stand by my guns for at least part of it. Mostly the "must do it" part.

Why? Why MUST you do the Voyage system? Are there parts of the game that are locked behind that system? Can you not enter a end-game dungeon because you haven't progressed enough in the voyage system? I know there's specific loot and such you could get from it, but the loot isn't really a "mandatory" item. (That's not to say there's no point to get it. Only that it's not really required)

As for the "ignoring information" part. that wasn't in regard to the voyage system. It was more-so aimed at people doing nothing but saying "Just add more plots, lol" as a solution. Not thinking it through, not realizing the issues that mere 'solution' may bring up.

[Elamys]

Multiple items cannot be crafted without things brought back from the workshop system. While it's something you can ultimately maybe probably live without, and you could even buy those materials (albeit at an insane markup) for those who are endgame crafters (like me!) not having access to a workshop through my FC means I can't make everything that I want to without relying on other players.

I've come to accept that they're never getting rid of the ward system, and no, just adding more wards won't help the problem (what happens if all but one house in a ward was to be demolished, for example), but there's a lot they can do to fix the issues. And SE's going to have to decide whether or not they want housing to be available to all or a few, because right now they're contradicting each other (saying they want to to be hard to get, then lowering prices, for example).

[Giruvegan]

Honestly, it seems like the demolition timer is just a small nuisance to a large scale problem. I'm not sure I'm really following for why housing HAS to be limited either. I think that's apart of the problem to begin with. While we do have apartments now and that lessens the issue, I think that if FCs or individuals wants certain things that only people with houses have that it doesn't solve things completely. I'm not really sure what to suggest that hasn't been suggested already. I just think the demo timer should go. After reading some of the posts here, with housing the way it is right now however, I can see why others would be against it.

[Vidu]

Honestly, it seems like the demolition timer is just a small nuisance to a large scale problem. I'm not sure I'm really following for why housing HAS to be limited either. I think that's apart of the problem to begin with. While we do have apartments now and that lessens the issue, I think that if FCs or individuals wants certain things that only people with houses have that it doesn't solve things completely. I'm not really sure what to suggest that hasn't been suggested already. I just think the demo timer should go. After reading some of the posts here, with housing the way it is right now however, I can see why others would be against it.

I believe their idea was that instead of having everyone sit in their little instances somewhere in the Void they wanted to create a "neighbourhood"-feel - now, I dont want to discuss if that worked out or was a good idea, I can just assume based on some stuff they said that thats what they wanted to achieve.

You might recall that housing orginally used to be FC-only - and that came with two problems:
1) People wanted their own houses
2) Wards didnt sell out - specially the small plots basically stayed empty.
So, neighbourhoodfeel wasnt achieved that way. They opened the plots for personal purchase and... voila, thats where we are now. They cant remove the wards at this point - people would most likely be furious if they'd lose their homes like that (bit less if the houses would be transfered into instances as they are now - seriously, decorating our FC-house took me like 40 hours and its not even that elaborate) - and just adding large apartments or instanced housing seems to be more difficult than we imagine...

Back to the demolition timer: As I said already: Its needed to prevent them wards from turning even more into ghost towns. I dont - or didnt - want it so people would lose their houses so I could have a chance at getting one (I have my house, I'm happy), but to at least try to keep the wards alive - instead of filled with houses bought by people who left months or maybe even years ago. As long as we have the wards, we need such a timer. Maybe more than 45 days, but at somepoint people who left the game for a long period of time need to lose their house.

[Sylvaneste]

"Housing is for everyone"
Also wrong. While yes, everyone deserves the right to have a go at housing, not everyone is going to GET a housing plot. The Housing Plots need to remain a finite resource in order to keep a demand. If everyone could get one, then there goes a major gil-sink for the game. It's doing its job. What people seem to enjoy ignoring is the apartments out there for people to own a house.

I just checked reddit housing.....you mean like the 450 million gil for a large house on my server.....

SE needs to allow every house to be upgraded to a large house, and remove the housing from "personal" housing. If you want personal housing, get an apartment. Limit housing to one toon per account. Sorry folks, your fc does not need an fc house and all 40 members do not need their own houses. That is what the private rooms are for. Which, should be larger.

The only way to get a large house on my server, is to pay 450 million or get a bunch of alts into multiple FC's and hope the leaders stop logging in and you get lucky enough to take over.

It is all stupid. There is content locked behind FC housing. But over half the housing, is personal housing.

[Jojoya]

I just checked reddit housing.....you mean like the 450 million gil for a large house on my server.....

SE needs to allow every house to be upgraded to a large house, and remove the housing from "personal" housing. If you want personal housing, get an apartment. Limit housing to one toon per account. Sorry folks, your fc does not need an fc house and all 40 members do not need their own houses. That is what the private rooms are for. Which, should be larger.

The only way to get a large house on my server, is to pay 450 million or get a bunch of alts into multiple FC's and hope the leaders stop logging in and you get lucky enough to take over.

It is all stupid. There is content locked behind FC housing. But over half the housing, is personal housing.

Why would you want empty housing wards? There aren't enough FCs who want a house to fill up all the wards. Don't believe me? Go check Spriggan and Twintania right now. Only FCs can buy houses on those worlds currently. Here's a screenshot I took on Spriggan last night. The wards have been open to FC purchase for 3 weeks now, more than enough time for any interested FC to purchase a house if they desired.

SE would have to cut wards back down to the original 6 to make wards seem full if only FCs could own. Even then, a large percentage would end up owned by individual players who set up shell FCs for the sake of owning a house. There's nothing SE could do to stop them that wouldn't also penalize small FCs.

To allow plots to be upgraded, they'd have to remove the current wards and replace them with redesigned wards with plots able to accommodate any size of house. That would cause even greater outrage then the minor complaints they're getting from small number of players frustrated by not being able to buy a house because they refuse to move from their full worlds to the worlds that have housing available. Many players and FCs have purchased their houses specifically for their current location and view, which would no longer exist. Some of them like small plots and would hate being forced into taking a large one.

The real way to get a large on your world is to wait for a current owner to relinquish their house and be the first one to click the placard. That's the way it's been since the start. Large plots n the wards are intended to be rare, whether players like that or not.

If your concern is access to the workshop, then you should do what others have done - encourage SE to detach the FC workshop from housing and put the entrance in a central location, like the affiliated Grand Company headquarters just as we have our squadron barracks there. That way no FC would be forced to buy a house just for the sake of having a workshop.

[Elamys]

Is that an empty beachfront? holy god.

[Sylvaneste]

Is that an empty beachfront? holy god.

Those are all or mostly small plots, that is why no one is buying them. Have you been in a small house......throw some items in there, and your camera is staring at the back of your head, and there is nothing to look at. Let alone throw a party.

I have watch "small" house FC's throw parties on their EMPTY lawns, as well as in other locations. Simply because the house is literally too small.

Who cars if SE has to actually do work to make every house to be able to upgrade to a large. After all, some of you are saying it is a gil sink system. More people who upgrade, more gil gets removed from the server. Then maybe will no longer see the bots in quarrymill running into and through the ground!

Or people selling houses for 450 million!

[hasana]

Those are all or mostly small plots, that is why no one is buying them. Have you been in a small house......throw some items in there, and your camera is staring at the back of your head, and there is nothing to look at. Let alone throw a party.

I have watch "small" house FC's throw parties on their EMPTY lawns, as well as in other locations. Simply because the house is literally too small.

Who cars if SE has to actually do work to make every house to be able to upgrade to a large. After all, some of you are saying it is a gil sink system. More people who upgrade, more gil gets removed from the server. Then maybe will no longer see the bots in quarrymill running into and through the ground!

Or people selling houses for 450 million!

I just checked on spriggan there are a lot of large and medium in Mist.

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