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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    To quote myself from another thread

    "You mean the Voyage system you can use at the Foundation Airship dock? (Not the submarine one, so I'll concede that.) The one that, to my knowledge, is still there and easily used by everyone, regardless of FC affiliation?"
    If you're going to talk about what you get for having a house and complain about people "ignoring information" then you should know what having a house actually entails, don't you think? FC airships and submarines are not the Diadem/Exploratory Voyage system, they're a completely separate function available only to FCs that you must have a house to access, by using the FC workshop. As stupid as it is there is no other way to access this.
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    cerise leclaire
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    I'm in support of removing the demolition timer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    I'm in support of removing the demolition timer.
    Get an apartment if the demolition timer worries you. There is no demolition timer on apartments. The only way for you to lose one is to voluntarily relinquish it yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Get an apartment if the demolition timer worries you. There is no demolition timer on apartments. The only way for you to lose one is to voluntarily relinquish it yourself.
    I have an apartment.
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    Multiple items cannot be crafted without things brought back from the workshop system. While it's something you can ultimately maybe probably live without, and you could even buy those materials (albeit at an insane markup) for those who are endgame crafters (like me!) not having access to a workshop through my FC means I can't make everything that I want to without relying on other players.

    I've come to accept that they're never getting rid of the ward system, and no, just adding more wards won't help the problem (what happens if all but one house in a ward was to be demolished, for example), but there's a lot they can do to fix the issues. And SE's going to have to decide whether or not they want housing to be available to all or a few, because right now they're contradicting each other (saying they want to to be hard to get, then lowering prices, for example).
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    Honestly, it seems like the demolition timer is just a small nuisance to a large scale problem. I'm not sure I'm really following for why housing HAS to be limited either. I think that's apart of the problem to begin with. While we do have apartments now and that lessens the issue, I think that if FCs or individuals wants certain things that only people with houses have that it doesn't solve things completely. I'm not really sure what to suggest that hasn't been suggested already. I just think the demo timer should go. After reading some of the posts here, with housing the way it is right now however, I can see why others would be against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giruvegan View Post
    Honestly, it seems like the demolition timer is just a small nuisance to a large scale problem. I'm not sure I'm really following for why housing HAS to be limited either. I think that's apart of the problem to begin with. While we do have apartments now and that lessens the issue, I think that if FCs or individuals wants certain things that only people with houses have that it doesn't solve things completely. I'm not really sure what to suggest that hasn't been suggested already. I just think the demo timer should go. After reading some of the posts here, with housing the way it is right now however, I can see why others would be against it.
    I believe their idea was that instead of having everyone sit in their little instances somewhere in the Void they wanted to create a "neighbourhood"-feel - now, I dont want to discuss if that worked out or was a good idea, I can just assume based on some stuff they said that thats what they wanted to achieve.

    You might recall that housing orginally used to be FC-only - and that came with two problems:
    1) People wanted their own houses
    2) Wards didnt sell out - specially the small plots basically stayed empty.
    So, neighbourhoodfeel wasnt achieved that way. They opened the plots for personal purchase and... voila, thats where we are now. They cant remove the wards at this point - people would most likely be furious if they'd lose their homes like that (bit less if the houses would be transfered into instances as they are now - seriously, decorating our FC-house took me like 40 hours and its not even that elaborate) - and just adding large apartments or instanced housing seems to be more difficult than we imagine...

    Back to the demolition timer: As I said already: Its needed to prevent them wards from turning even more into ghost towns. I dont - or didnt - want it so people would lose their houses so I could have a chance at getting one (I have my house, I'm happy), but to at least try to keep the wards alive - instead of filled with houses bought by people who left months or maybe even years ago. As long as we have the wards, we need such a timer. Maybe more than 45 days, but at somepoint people who left the game for a long period of time need to lose their house.
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    Is that an empty beachfront? holy god.
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    cerise leclaire
    (bad omnicrafter & terrible astrologian)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    Is that an empty beachfront? holy god.
    Those are all or mostly small plots, that is why no one is buying them. Have you been in a small house......throw some items in there, and your camera is staring at the back of your head, and there is nothing to look at. Let alone throw a party.

    I have watch "small" house FC's throw parties on their EMPTY lawns, as well as in other locations. Simply because the house is literally too small.

    Who cars if SE has to actually do work to make every house to be able to upgrade to a large. After all, some of you are saying it is a gil sink system. More people who upgrade, more gil gets removed from the server. Then maybe will no longer see the bots in quarrymill running into and through the ground!

    Or people selling houses for 450 million!
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