[Suggestion] New Soul Crystals for existing classes

[Enkidoh]

I would prefer for them to just get rid of classes. I see no benefit to having two jobs from one base class, I would rather just see 2 unique jobs that don't share abilities.

They can't get rid of classes completely though, as the starting classes originated in the original version of FFXIV (1.0), and because all 1.0 players can transfer their 1.0 character data into ARR with all their existing levels, EXP, classes and Jobs intact, the ARR game client needs to be able to understand that old class data as a class when loading that data for the first time otherwise issues could occur. Yoshi is certainly gutting the 1.0 classes of their usefulness and will never implement new classes (ROG being the last 'new class' introduced), but despite hating them he sadly has no choice to keep the existing classes intact as part of the game, for the benefit of any past 1.0 players who haven't yet come back but may want to in the future.

[Jandor]

A basic beginner class upgrading into two different job options is a fine concept that works well.

The problem with the initial Arcanist split is that you didn't upgrade to Summoner or Scholar. Functionally, you stayed as an Arcanist, and the Summoner/Scholar job stones just bolted a few extra skills and a pet upgrade on.

We're level 80 now, sharing skills from the first 30 levels just isn't that big an issue anymore.

Edit: that's an interesting name OP

[Raldo]

A basic beginner class upgrading into two different job options is a fine concept that works well.

We're level 80 now, sharing skills from the first 30 levels just isn't that big an issue anymore.

But what purpose does it serve? You get the other job for free, but I'd argue that's both a blessing and a curse. I struggle to come up with anything else.

The only reason "sharing skills from the first 30 levels" (it was originally most of 30~50 as well; ACN didn't stop getting skills from levels until lv50) isn't a big deal anymore is because ShB finally separated the two jobs by dumping most of ACNs skills in the trash when you switch to SCH, and if you're doing that, I'm not sure what benefit sharing a base class gives.

[Jonnycbad]

They're not gonna add all those branching classes because it would be hellish to balance them. Not to mention FF relies heavily on FF naming conventions and there's no room for Crusader or Witchhunter or Daredevil jobs in an FF game.

[Canadane]

The problem with the initial Arcanist split is that you didn't upgrade to Summoner or Scholar. Functionally, you stayed as an Arcanist, and the Summoner/Scholar job stones just bolted a few extra skills and a pet upgrade on.

That’s every job though.

[Jandor]

But what purpose does it serve? You get the other job for free, but I'd argue that's both a blessing and a curse. I struggle to come up with anything else.

You get the other job for free currently. If I was to do more branching jobs, I'd cap classes at 30.
They'd just serve as a consistency thing and a basic intro to that archetype.

The only reason "sharing skills from the first 30 levels" (it was originally most of 30~50 as well; ACN didn't stop getting skills from levels until lv50) isn't a big deal anymore is because ShB finally separated the two jobs by dumping most of ACNs skills in the trash when you switch to SCH, and if you're doing that, I'm not sure what benefit sharing a base class gives.

It wasn't a big deal before ShB either. The Scholar/Summoner link didn't matter at all in SB, and wasn't really all that relevant in HW.

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That’s every job though.

Not really. It was every job, but job skills outnumber class skills on a lot of jobs at this point. Gone are the days of a job being 5 bonus skills on top of your basic 25 or whatever it was.

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I mean, don't get me wrong people. I'm not advocating upending the whole class/job thing, not now we're this far along.

People rag on the whole concept of branching classes, but the concept is solid IMHO, FFXIV just implemented it in a weird way that left next to no room to maneuver.

[Reynhart]

But what purpose does it serve? You get the other job for free, but I'd argue that's both a blessing and a curse.

From the way I see it, it could help more people try tanking.
Explanation : You level a class that evolves into a DPS job to so that you get a good grasp of its rotation, skills, etc...Then, you decide to unlock the second job linked to your class, which is a tank job. This way, you'll have a tank whose kit you already mostly know, which can make you more comfortable to experience.

If you put that to the extreme, you could have all classes that unlock one DPS and either one tank or one healer.