Tactful ways to inform people that they're playing badly?

[Jybril]

We aren't talking about about people who are fat fingering, or learning new skills here. We are talking about people who are actively not trying to learn, and scolding people for handing them advice to improve.

The best example I can give is my old static had a dancer. He wasn't at all pulling his weight anywhere near what a dancer should be - and when I brought this up to someone they had mentioned that he could do more damage auto-attacking.

When I confronted him, he got in my face about it. Explained that he only failed because I wasn't calling out mechanics for him. That if I couldn't tell him what exactly he was doing wrong with a class I didn't play at the time, that I needed to keep my mouth shut. That's the type of people I'm talking about. It's very easy to spot people who AREN'T willing to learn because they do little damage, and just push buttons when we have a library worth of resources to go through for each class.

I'm in no way asking for perfection, but I am asking that people who queue into +50 content at least have the very basic understanding of the class they are playing - which seems to still be lacking in level 80 content.

The difference in this post is, you were talking to someone in your static and doing savage where you have to be optimal.
You weren't telling a random what to do in a random 4 man dungeon where being optimal isn't needed.

[AnimaAnimus]

The difference in this post is, you were talking to someone in your static and doing savage where you have to be optimal.
You weren't telling a random what to do in a random 4 man dungeon where being optimal isn't needed.

It's not about being optimal. But even if you are in a roulette, if you are literally not doing even the most basic things than that is an issue. Ice mages, rdm who ignore their phys rotation, smns who don't dot, bards who don't use songs, melee who don't aoe because they simply do not want to learn or just have the mentality of "its just a roulette/4 man" I think that is something that should be addressed, tactfully or course, and then if the issue persists or they cop an attitude, vote kick should be initiated. I wouldn't deal with a dnc like that in a random roulette either. Its just so unnecessary.

Just because we are doing content that you feel is "less than" does not mean that is how you should perform, just cause. I don't put 100% into roulettes either, but I use proper rotations and don't just do a sub par job because its "just" a 4 man.

I cant believe we are arguing about this. We are not asking for perfection, but at least have a basic grasp of what you are doing and put at least a little effort into it. Tapping a single button doesn't cut it, idk what content you are doing.

[Jybril]

Nevermind. Dead horse type deal.

[liliths]

Question is how would ya know if someone isn't doing there damage right unless you use a parser at the point ya be breaking the tos ya self if you kick them base on that ya get ban.

[KageTokage]

Question is how would ya know if someone isn't doing there damage right unless you use a parser at the point ya be breaking the tos ya self if you kick them base on that ya get ban.

You can't get banned if you don't specifically mention the parser.

The rotation of all DPS classes is honestly cyclical enough that I could tell if someone is doing it properly or not just by watching them for two minutes or so, though.

In the case of healers poor DPS is usually due to them overhealing and/or not following the "always be casting" rule.

[Krotoan]

You can't get banned if you don't specifically mention the parser.

... I wouldn't bet my account on this assumption.