Is E2S overtuned?

[Jaelommiss]

The combo: In, clock spots, clea... DIE!

That's the killer, people are so busy trying to dodge they cant get clear fast enough and splat. That's why I think adding just 1 more second would see dramatically improved clear rates. They don't even have to tell us they made the stealth change, just sneak it in on 5.1. I know they wont because they think i460 gear should do it... but I can dream.

Maybe 5.2 will have an easier 2nd fight so people can feel like there progressing and not give up hope and quit raiding. E2S killed my static, its killed my family's desire to raid, it's finished me off too. Sucks but... that's the real legacy of E2S.

I would vehemently oppose any such changes. Savage is supposed to demand minimum performance standards. Certain players' inability to meet those standards is not a design flaw.

The clear rates for all four bosses are 42,654/41,178/32,721/24,290 in the past two weeks.
96.5% of people who cleared E1S were able to clear E2S.
79.5% of people who cleared E2S were able to clear E3S.
74.2% of people who cleared E3S were able to clear E4S.

No nerfs are required to improve E2S clear rates because the clear rates don't need improving.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

I've yet to be in a PUG that didn't have the DPS if no one died or gave the adds a hug. I know that's not universal, but in my experience most parties that fail aren't even getting to enrage.

Now that players are approaching the 460 ilvl mark the developers actually tune around, that should become even more true.

Gordias was overtuned. Eden 2 Savage just reflects the fact that SE tunes fights for the newest tome gear, but makes them passable at lower ilvl given good play.

[MaraD_]

Watching my roomates raid group, took them forever to clear E1S, half as long for E2S, and pretty much cleared E3S in a few hours.
Its possible they were all just really rusty, and suddenly are good, but im inclined to think each floor isnt set up to start off easier, and grow harder, but are roughly equal in difficulty, with only the smallest difference in difficulty.
(Could be wrong, havent bothered trying savage this time. I just dont really enjoy half the changes to jobs.)

[LeonDalmasca]

E3S > E4S > E2S > E1S . Idk E3S seems more like the pug wrecker than E2S. I have no idea where you guys get the difficulty out of E2S, I oneshotted it in 3 try on my pug progress. But E3S? Obboi.

[Samsta]

E3S > E4S > E2S > E1S . Idk E3S seems more like the pug wrecker than E2S. I have no idea where you guys get the difficulty out of E2S, I oneshotted it in 3 try on my pug progress. But E3S? Obboi.

Putting them in an order like that according to your own experiences is just stupid, pug skill level varies so much any fight can feel like it's easy or hard. If you look at them objectively the amount of mechanics, the mechanics itself and the punishment for failing them gradually rise starting from E1S. E4S is clearly the hardest of them and levi is clearly harder than E2S, it's just that a lot of bad player have access to E2S and that is why it feels harder.

[alimdia]

How is E3S hard lol it's an entirely team rope mechanic dance, and one pretty easy even. It basically only has 2 mechs, tsunami 2 and black smokers, and tsunami 2 requires very little thought with the current strat.

[Katie_Kitty]

E3S > E4S > E2S > E1S . Idk E3S seems more like the pug wrecker than E2S. I have no idea where you guys get the difficulty out of E2S, I oneshotted it in 3 try on my pug progress. But E3S? Obboi.

Is Ninja the job you use to do these fights? It would explain to me at least why you view E3S as harder than E4S. As a caster E4S is certainly the most annoying and difficult fight in the tier. By comparison E3S is pretty easy.

[Vaer]

E2S just snowballs really quickly is all and it also mercilessly punishes greeding. Tons of repeating jump rope mechanics in puddles, cleaver, equilibrium, stacks, eye placement that come one after the other that can quickly cause a wipe or kill more than one person if one person fails to do it properly or is otherwise dead for some reason.

E3S is more of a slower methodical fight where you get to breathe as most of the fight hinges on you dodging current once you are able to do the pass/fail in tsunami1/2 and smokers at a high success rate.

[mint-pineapple-cola]

No.
You can clear the fight with EXTRA dps if everyone in your party is 25th percentile. The DPS check isn't hard now. It wasn't hard week 1. It's a full uptime fight.
You shouldn't expect to clear the fight with people who don't know their rotation, healers that don't DPS, or with 20 damage downs.

[Awful]

It's not overtuned at all if anything it's easier with the gear upgrades and 460 weapons people have now, it comes down to personal mistakes, i.e dmg downs, deaths etc, E3S is much harder because if anyone makes any mistakes they can wipe the group.