These 2 dungeons are imo the hardest dungeons released this xpac. Not only are both the most mechanically intensive, they also often attract the worst of the players I feel as well, more than any other dungeon from ShB line up.

The first boss has a lot more dodging than most of the bosses we had in the whole game of all the leveling dungeons.

Whenever I queue in, people are often rocking Susano weapons (ilv 320) or hell, even the High Steel job gear if GNB or DNC (Ilv 255 NQ!). What's worse, these dungeons are far more punishing than the later ones, which baffles me, why is this difficulty curve harder at the curve then gets easier?

Also, people play a lot worse as well for these 2 dungeons, runs often take a lot more effort and work to get through. I spent more time on average in these if bad players hold me down than 75-79. I pray for if I get Qitana, Makilah or even Mt Gulg, they're not as screwable to DF as Holminster or Dohn, not to mention easier pulls overall.

Why can't people just easily gear up and be ready to play their job at 71, it's been 70 levels beforehand and 3 xpacs prior to get to here. (This is rhetorical)