Thread: AST changes for 5.1+ feedback

Perhaps à good change to CU would be to remove the channeling.
Since the optimal usage is to not channel it, beside niche situation, and that the channeling part confuses new AST, simply removing it would solve the issue.
Possibly, to prevent weird animation and make the whole noc effect lasting 5s more clear, they could make the bubble visual stay for 3~5s.

Additionally, adding an effect depending on the stance could further help solve the issue with Nov vs Diu.

Diu could have a better potency (possibly back to 150) and noc could have a shorter cd. Making it more akin to SS.

Originally Posted by Sylvain

Perhaps à good change to CU would be to remove the channeling.
Since the optimal usage is to not channel it, beside niche situation, and that the channeling part confuses new AST, simply removing it would solve the issue.
Possibly, to prevent weird animation and make the whole noc effect lasting 5s more clear, they could make the bubble visual stay for 3~5s.

Additionally, adding an effect depending on the stance could further help solve the issue with Nov vs Diu.

Diu could have a better potency (possibly back to 150) and noc could have a shorter cd. Making it more akin to SS.

The issue as I understand it is that CU is too weak in Nocturnal Sect, as it's your only group regen ogcd in that sect. The potency is sufficient enough for Diurnal with the fact they have Aspected Helios and Celestial Opposition. If the potency of CU was to be buffed, imo it should only be for Nocturnal. If they insist on giving it a Diurnal only effect, however, perhaps more damage mitigation? Or make the damage mitigation the portion that remains after you stop channeling it?

Originally Posted by Doctor-

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When it comes to fflogs, to those in the top 90%. Don't take those seriously as those groups constantly replay those raids over and over again, perfecting that fight, which makes those numbers unreliable imo. It just ends up becoming toxic to other players overtime as they are trying to reach those numbers..which they can, but the percentile..no.

As for the change for AST....everything is fine except that malefic and combust spells needs a buff in their potencies, I believe it needs to be higher than WHMs if SE required AST players to use so many buttons in said fight/s.

Originally Posted by Osmond

When it comes to fflogs, to those in the top 90%. Don't take those seriously as those groups constantly replay those raids over and over again, perfecting that fight, which makes those numbers unreliable imo. It just ends up becoming toxic to other players overtime as they are trying to reach those numbers..which they can, but the percentile..no.

As for the change for AST....everything is fine except that malefic and combust spells needs a buff in their potencies, I believe it needs to be higher than WHMs if SE required AST players to use so many buttons in said fight/s.

I dunno about percentiles, but the potencies donned to go up a little. Nocturnal needs some QoL to make it even viable(lest Diurnal be the only thing AST can go to).

I also think they need to streamline Sleeve Draw somehow. Right now it’s a mess that gives players new to AST a migraine as they try to figure out how to keep Malefic/Combust and throw cards out there. It’s quite similar to old Machinist, which blew everything it had on its opener then turned into 60s of just about nothing but shooting. For AST, this is diversified by healing, but even that has a ceiling.

SO the live letter came out a few days ago and here is what we got. AST

- MP consumption for spells will be adjusted to cost less
- Potencies are being adjusted as well
- Regarding cards, Minor Arcana will be adjusted so that it reduces unnecessary steps. One such example would be how it will directly apply Lord/Lady instead of making the card into Lord/Lady and then you use it
- Specifics of Collective Unconscious will be changed where executing the skill will bring different effects depending on whether you're in Diurnal (HoT and defense barrier of 10% damage mitigation) and Nocturnal (Instantly grant 10% damage mitigation shield that lasts 20 seconds) will be different depending on which sect you're in.

So it seems that mp costs are just being reduced rather than added a mp recovery which kinda sucks but oh well. The typical potency changes, nothing much there, the minor arcana is a good change since the best way to think about is that when you draw a card, it becomes either lord or lady depending when which one you have in play. The last change is what I'm worried about (edit for later)

Originally Posted by Maltothoris

SO the live letter came out a few days ago and here is what we got. AST

- MP consumption for spells will be adjusted to cost less
- Potencies are being adjusted as well
- Regarding cards, Minor Arcana will be adjusted so that it reduces unnecessary steps. One such example would be how it will directly apply Lord/Lady instead of making the card into Lord/Lady and then you use it
- Specifics of Collective Unconscious will be changed where executing the skill will bring different effects depending on whether you're in Diurnal (HoT and defense barrier of 10% damage mitigation) and Nocturnal (Instantly grant 10% damage mitigation shield that lasts 20 seconds) will be different depending on which sect you're in.

So it seems that mp costs are just being reduced rather than added a mp recovery which kinda sucks but oh well. The typical potency changes, nothing much there, the minor arcana is a good change since the best way to think about is that when you draw a card, it becomes either lord or lady depending when which one you have in play. The last change is what I'm worried about (edit for later)

It still won't be as good as a SCH shields. You have a WHM? Bring a SCH, you got a SCH? Bring an AST or Whm. Honestly feel that the minor Arcana change is just a QoL for console players. If Collective unconscious still makes me have to stand perfectly still to use it, making the damage reduction last longer doesn't even matter. You only use it right before a heavy raid wide aoe then go back into your rotation so this is basically pointless. It needs to be placeable aoe to make it even worth buffing. I'm not going to be happy with the class until they change the card system.

Minor Arcana felt so good to use back in 5.0, where you have to take one "extra" step to convert whichever card to lady or Lord card, then execute. It was so impactful and feels good to do so. Now with that "extra" step been taken, most of the time I didn't even know which card I played and who did I gave the card to.
And that feels AWFUL!

Please bring back the 5.0 AST card draw system, it's just perfect and rewarding every time you draw and use a card, to be an Astrologian. Being able to convert the duplicate card to lady or lord and able to see the actual visual effect when doing so just added one extra layer to the gameplay. That one added layer, however, changes my whole game experience playing Astrologain.

I am begging you to have the 5.0 Minor Arcana back.
God bless.

Please god don't bring back 5.0 minor arcana. It was a pointless extra button without any decision behind it when we already have plenty of oGCD actions to weave.

Originally Posted by Crushnight

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