Thread: AST changes for 5.1+ feedback

It's good to look at each healer personal Rdps, but it's not the only data that needs to be looked into.
You can always kind of "cheat" the rdps by going with a healer that does all the healing, and the other one all the dps, which is why its always better to take into consideration the "combined healers damage", and with this you can see that the dps depends a lot on the fight and the intensity of the healing.

On E1S, which requires very little healing, the best healing comp is double WHM, whereas on E2s and E3s, the best comp is AST+SCH, and on E4S it is WHM+SCH.

If you take the combined 4 fights, you see that WHM+SCH and AST+SCH does respectively 98.85 score and 98.27 score, which is the closest you can actualy get in term of balance.
What actualy need a good chunck of balance is the Noct AST to be competitive with the SCH, so the combo AST+WHM could finaly get out of the hole its stuck in since forever...

Are they adjusting ast in 5.1? I thought it was suppose to be the ninja revamp patch.

Unfortunately the new card system and removed time spells is probably a balancing step for the healers, so it won't be changed till at the very least the end if the expansion leading into the next.

You know you could always just give WHM powerful utility instead of chipping away at the other healers until you break even...SE is so backwards.

So what makes Noct as harder?
I havnt played it much so I can't say.
It can't be the regular shield since, beside the crit factor, they function the same.
Celestial opposition brings more shield as an ogcd. Basically a deploy.

What I would see lacking is a proper sacred soil equivalent. Sure we have CI but it's long cooldown and potency nerf makes it strictly inferior in every regard. (not even talking about the '' not move. ' and silly radius)
The lack of constant autoheal (fairy) seems to be addressed with crossing sect. Perhaps a longer hot to imitate the fairy better?

Beside CI being really weak, what else is missing from Noct AST actually?

Originally Posted by Sylvain

So what makes Noct as harder?
I havnt played it much so I can't say.
It can't be the regular shield since, beside the crit factor, they function the same.
Celestial opposition brings more shield as an ogcd. Basically a deploy.

What I would see lacking is a proper sacred soil equivalent. Sure we have CI but it's long cooldown and potency nerf makes it strictly inferior in every regard. (not even talking about the '' not move. ' and silly radius)
The lack of constant autoheal (fairy) seems to be addressed with crossing sect. Perhaps a longer hot to imitate the fairy better?

Beside CI being really weak, what else is missing from Noct AST actually?

CU*

CI is the skill that acts like Benison if you're in diurnal.

Originally Posted by Sylvain

So what makes Noct as harder?
I havnt played it much so I can't say.
It can't be the regular shield since, beside the crit factor, they function the same.
Celestial opposition brings more shield as an ogcd. Basically a deploy.

What I would see lacking is a proper sacred soil equivalent. Sure we have CI but it's long cooldown and potency nerf makes it strictly inferior in every regard. (not even talking about the '' not move. ' and silly radius)
The lack of constant autoheal (fairy) seems to be addressed with crossing sect. Perhaps a longer hot to imitate the fairy better?

Beside CI being really weak, what else is missing from Noct AST actually?

This weekend I went into some page run/clear groups as Noct partly to see how bad it (still) was. My desire to play AST eclipsed my loathing of Nocturnal.

In my humble opinion, Noct AST loses too much without having a basic aoe hot. MP efficiency is a problem because of less tools to regain mana but also expensive MP casts to Aspected spells. That's not a problem when the AST has enough tools to use Aspected as more of a last resort, but right now it feels like we're missing something. If I just had one more cooldown at the ready--possibly by lowering the cooldown on Opposition and Horoscope, reworking Synastry into something powerful enough to warrant a two minute cooldown, and Unconscious to be buffed.

It takes a lot of work to heal/do cards and even then, I feel like it would have been "easier" for me to SCH instead. Less effort, more power.

Originally Posted by Sylvain

So what makes Noct as harder?
I havnt played it much so I can't say.
It can't be the regular shield since, beside the crit factor, they function the same.
Celestial opposition brings more shield as an ogcd. Basically a deploy.

What I would see lacking is a proper sacred soil equivalent. Sure we have CI but it's long cooldown and potency nerf makes it strictly inferior in every regard. (not even talking about the '' not move. ' and silly radius)
The lack of constant autoheal (fairy) seems to be addressed with crossing sect. Perhaps a longer hot to imitate the fairy better?

Beside CI being really weak, what else is missing from Noct AST actually?

AST is already mp inefficient and nocturnal makes the problem worse. When mitigation needs to be done AST doesn't have much outside of it's expensive shield heals and a couple of very lengthy CDs meanwhile SCH has several tools outside of succor that can help mitigate, some like sacred soil being on a very short cool down. SCH also has the tools to recover MP when it does need to use its big shield heals while AST has nothing outside of lucid dreaming. If I'm struggling with MP at the tail end of E4s as a SCH, I'd honestly hate to see how a shield AST would get by.

Also, let's not forget, aspected benefic costs twice as much mp in nocturnal as it does in diurnal, for some reason.