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    Lambdafish's Avatar
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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Hyperion
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    Paladin Lv 100

    What job is the highest priority to fix?

    I've seen a lot of posts around the forums saying "X job needs fixed" or "X job is broken and needs to be fixed NOW" and sometimes what we get in response is "Your job is fine because mine is worse". I'd like to ask people, objectively what jobs are in the worst state right now (both too strong and too weak)? And if jobs were to be fixed one at a time, what order would you say they should be fixed in?

    I understand people may choose their mains or their favorite jobs to be fixed first but please try not to do this, I'm trying to understand what the communities perception of what the biggest problem in job balance is right now.
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    Berteaux Braumegain
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Still leveling it (only 75 at the time of posting this), but I feel like Dancer could be worked on a little bit to be more engaging. Right now it's one/two damage buff dances and two damage buttons that trigger a proc > proc that triggers another proc > proc that triggers another proc > proc that triggers yet another proc.
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    Junpei Iorii
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Berteaux_Braumegain View Post
    Still leveling it (only 75 at the time of posting this), but I feel like Dancer could be worked on a little bit to be more engaging. Right now it's one/two damage buff dances and two damage buttons that trigger a proc > proc that triggers another proc > proc that triggers another proc > proc that triggers yet another proc.
    It doesn't really get any better.
    You get Saber Dance + Espirit at 76, which is yet another Proc skill which gaining Espirits is RNG
    and you gain 50 of those to use Saber Dance.
    They don't tell you gaining Espirits is completely RNG either, so just a little heads up.
    So have fun with that lol! DNC kinda stays the same from the moment you unlock it, until the end
    and the level 80 spell is pretty underwhelming because it's too situational.
    It's kinda fun, but I like 4.0 BRD better than Dancer. :/

    IMO: AST. A lot of people already know why so I won't bother posting it again lol.
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Viper Lv 100
    SAM. It hasn't been where it should be since they added it. Mostly cuz people keep saying that its "too good" just because they look at potencies and nothing else.

    Its a selfish DPS only job that falls behind every other melee in terms of both raw dps and raid dps.
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Its a selfish DPS only job that falls behind every other melee in terms of both raw dps and raid dps.
    Not to mention the rotation is clunkier, where other classes had theirs smoothed out. Your rotation needs to be on a perfect loop with correct SkSp or your cd's start misaligning. If your Tsubame is a few seconds off after Midare, the next might not be up for a good few gcd's and you start losing uses. Shoha is useless, Hagakure is near-useless, Tsubama: Higanbana is useless.
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    Princess Whiskers
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    Exodus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    SAM. It hasn't been where it should be since they added it. Mostly cuz people keep saying that its "too good" just because they look at potencies and nothing else.

    Its a selfish DPS only job that falls behind every other melee in terms of both raw dps and raid dps.
    Disagree, and here's why: SAM is still stronger in terms of rDPS than every job but BLM, MNK, DRG, and arguably NIN. Just because it's not great in comparison to other melee doesn't mean it's so bad that it is priority #1. Melee has enough right now and ranged needs help the most especially jobs like MCH (a selfish job that is actually one of the weakest jobs in the game) and RDM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    Disagree, and here's why: SAM is still stronger in terms of rDPS than every job but BLM, MNK, DRG, and arguably NIN. Just because it's not great in comparison to other melee doesn't mean it's so bad that it is priority #1. Melee has enough right now and ranged needs help the most especially jobs like MCH (a selfish job that is actually one of the weakest jobs in the game) and RDM
    No its not. The fact you think it is is hilarious.

    Also you made my point again, it's at the bottom of melee when it should be at the top. Like blm is for casters and mch is (or should be) for ranged

    It's behind monk, which has raid buffs, and drg, which also has raid buffs.

    The only job SAM should be comparable to is blm. Everything else should be lower. Why? Because they have no raid buffs.
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    Last edited by Valkyrie_Lenneth; 09-09-2019 at 05:19 AM.

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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Machinist and Samurai need buffs for sure, even though they're both selfish jobs they're beaten by jobs with utility pretty easily
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    No its not. The fact you think it is is hilarious.

    Also you made my point again, it's at the bottom of melee when it should be at the top. Like blm is for casters and mch is (or should be) for ranged

    It's behind monk, which has raid buffs, and drg, which also has raid buffs.

    The only job SAM should be comparable to is blm. Everything else should be lower. Why? Because they have no raid buffs.
    You don't seem to understand. "Bottom of the melee" is still "One of the best jobs in the game."
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    You don't seem to understand. "Bottom of the melee" is still "One of the best jobs in the game."
    I don't think you understand how no support jobs are supposed to work. You know, lacking support they should be at the top.


    Also, a job with no support should do the same rdps or more than a job with support. Not doing so is how we had drg/nin/brd meta for 4 years.
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    Last edited by Valkyrie_Lenneth; 09-09-2019 at 11:15 AM.

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