About the complains..

[weeble]

Why should you treat the waitress any different than a game developer? Why does a waitress deserve an hourly wage + tip but a game developer only an hourly wage? I know some waiters and waitresses that earn a better living than game developers.

this is because the industry is bullcrap and they over work them and pay them crap compared to how much time they put into there jobs. waiters only make 1-2bucks an hour by wage by way. how much does yoshi? i'm sure the devs know what we want in a mmo and know what yoshi and the people up top try to give us instead. if a waitress took forever to get us our food, kept bringing us the wrong food, smelled bad (lol), or everytime they went to rewarm my undercooked steak they removed some of the side dishes i wanted? i would of left without paying at all let alone tip her. (i know i was a waiter this happens when you suck and should be no different to multipmillion dollar companies)

What about the bellboy at the counter who just carried in your luggage? Why does he deserve a tip ontop of his hourly wage? Doesn't he get paid by the hotel owner to do that? Afterall it is his job, so why should you bother tipping him or even looking at him?

tell yoshi to grab my luggage and i'll tip him. i bet half the people playing mmo's have not left there state or country in years or ever. and when ffxiv is on the full launch yoshi and pals will be living it up, that is there reward. a company has no face no matter how much our government wants to claim companies are people too, (not like they are a company themselves)

Your lame argument about the janitor who hates his life and his job so much that he would punch someone in the face for thanking them is just that: a stupid stereotype. It's like the guy who told his wife on the night they go out to dinner "you look great tonight" and she responds angrily "are you saying i don't look great otherwise?".

it's just an example they used no? it's simply stating what everyone is arguing in this thread about. yoshi don't need a thank you, they need to thank us. they are just cleaning up there own mess and still making a living cause people still supported them in the time of screw ups. (and lets not get it wrong they launched knowing it was garbage and who cares who takes the face of the company, he was payed very well to be that face)

You attempt to make it seem that Janitors naturally loath their jobs and hate anyone and everyone who dares compliment them, but I doubt you have known a fraction of the janitors in the world yet you are content making gross generalizations on their behalf.

janitors don't get tiped either for there jobs, again i think they were just making a point with it, it has nothing to do with janitors really other then that. but as you can see lots are on both sides of the coin in this thread and that is the point they were trying to make not that janitors are angry.

And so what if you work in construction? Are you attempting to be witty with your comment about helping out your pocketbook? I get it, you need money to live, but who doesn't? Every one in this god forsaken world needs money just as much as you do, but that doesn't give you the right to reject someones verbal acknowledgement of you.

i say it does give the right, when people need money in this world and you say who doesn't? well yoshi doesn't ..should we thank him for that? the game is getting better after 2years time and now money invested. they don't truely need more then that. they should know and do know when there players are happy when they are there playing. the game is empty, they are not happy. they don't thank him. i personally thank all the hardworkers there but in the end it's not like they are putting down there computers and saying screw this i not working for such crappy thank you's. they probably have mods that give them the important stuff and not even read this stuff, hmmm a bj from a 2000 a nite hooker or umm read 100page thread of thanks. ...anyway. and the real deves go home home if they have time to, to there families i'm sure. they don't need your thanks they need a job that doesn't pay them crap or make them work 100hrs a week.

Maybe next time your wife or girlfriend thanks you for doing something you should tell her that she could thank you by doing it herself next time, and see how far that gets you in life, JOE.

when you do stuff for your wife you get gratification in other ways, you probably feel more like a man or might get her off your back, or get "favors" . see you can just argue what you use to get your point across or just argue what your trying to put across. if your saying yoshi and the devs should stop making our games, the devs in his own company will give him thanks cause now they can finally make a mmo they wanted for there people and not be worry'ing about the people up top forcing the way the games go. also just like anything else theres always someone that will take there place right? i hear devs are straight out of 2year training monkeys now that easily replaced. if you want to argue anything then we should thank people who don't go in and replace people that quit so things change in this world so thanks might actually start to mean something again.

and yeah i guess thanks to the devs, while i'm at it for there parents for busting there humps to raise them. maybe one day instead of a meaningless thank you's we can all stop the bs happening in corrupt corporations.

[Matsume]

that's so they take the big stuff they shouldn't or take bags not in trash cans and stuff like that. If you are not giving the trash men stuff you shouldn't then theres no reason to give them anything. When you put out a can with 200 pounds of bricks in it they can take it or leave it.

I was under the impression it was due to empathy. That sense of putting yourself in another persons shoes in order to understand how they feel. I don't think this is about bribing the trashman with beer to haul away abnormally large amounts of trash. It is more likely the fact that these people spend what is normally considered a religious holy day picking up everyone's trash instead of spending it with their family. No doubt it helps and might even make the experience enjoyable to come home with 20 cases of beer. People can be compassionate and considerate, this is why they leave out a case of bear.

But to say "my thank you comes in the form of the money i pay them" does not fit into this cenario. That would be equal to saying "screw the trash guys, they get paid with my tax dollar and that's thanks enough for their service" you could careless if it's christmas because maybe you aren't christian. But the odds are one of those trashmen is.

In a sense SE is the trashman of Eorzea. They might not exactly work on holidays, but i would not doubt that Yoshida does. The forums can be used in a sense to leave them bottles of beer, or tips - if you want to go with the waitress metaphor. Your thanks is the continous support you provide SE in the form of a monthly payment. But really all of this is for the players' enjoyment, isn't it?

It's nice to let the developers know they've done a good job when that's the case, just as much as you would let them know about a bug.

[syntaxlies]

I was under the impression it was due to empathy. That sense of putting yourself in another persons shoes in order to understand how they feel. I don't think this is about bribing the trashman with beer to haul away abnormally large amounts of trash. It is more likely the fact that these people spend what is normally considered a religious holy day picking up everyone's trash instead of spending it with their family. No doubt it helps and might even make the experience enjoyable to come home with 20 cases of beer. People can be compassionate and considerate, this is why they leave out a case of bear.

But to say "my thank you comes in the form of the money i pay them" does not fit into this cenario. That would be equal to saying "screw the trash guys, they get paid with my tax dollar and that's thanks enough for their service" you could careless if it's christmas because maybe you aren't christian. But the odds are one of those trashmen is.

In a sense SE is the trashman of Eorzea. They might not exactly work on holidays, but i would not doubt that Yoshida does. The forums can be used in a sense to leave them bottles of beer, or tips - if you want to go with the waitress metaphor. Your thanks is the continous support you provide SE in the form of a monthly payment. But really all of this is for the players' enjoyment, isn't it?

It's nice to let the developers know they've done a good job when that's the case, just as much as you would let them know about a bug.

empathy, lol, where i live trash men is a very desired job that pays a lot of money with no college degree and awesome benefits. If your putting beer out for them its so they do those favors for you through the year, not cause you feel sorry for them.

also here trash men have off all holidays, so you dont put the beer out on xmas, you put it out before or after, preferably after to help with all that extra trash you got.

[Matsume]

empathy, lol, where i live trash men is a very desired job that pays a lot of money with no college degree and awesome benefits. If your putting beer out for them its so they do those favors for you through the year, not cause you feel sorry for them.

also here trash men have off all holidays, so you dont put the beer out on xmas, you put it out before or after, preferably after to help with all that extra trash you got.

It's a two way street my friend, benefits for both parties, win win.

[Yelta_Sumasu]

My thank you was playing for hours and hours and hours since the patch came out and telling my friends they should log on and try it too. Also, podcasting and blogging to the entire internet world that I 1.21 is great and I am having a great time.

But, if it needs to be spelled out still, thank you devs, good job!

However no matter how great the patch I will still comment on things that still need work

[darkstarpoet1]

empathy, lol, where i live trash men is a very desired job that pays a lot of money with no college degree and awesome benefits. If your putting beer out for them its so they do those favors for you through the year, not cause you feel sorry for them.

also here trash men have off all holidays, so you dont put the beer out on xmas, you put it out before or after, preferably after to help with all that extra trash you got.

that's exactly why it's done here. we put out beer for the trash man after they come back from their holiday break. they can only take 3 bags of trash and are not allowed to haul off the tree, but they do so for the people that leave the beer for them. they do not work during the holidays here either, but i can assure you they won't pick up your extra stuff if you don't leave them something in return.

the trash collectors make well above the average wage here. they may not be great pay, but it's not a bad check at all.

[Kyri]

Someone says we should use a bit of manners after always ranting and everyone retaliates? Come on on people, even my children know when to use manners. Thank you, SE it was fun, even if I disagree with the non leveling of jobs. It was nice to see everyone so busy and about the world vs congealing in Uldah.

[Rokien]

I'm saying thanks by paying them

[Lavinia]

People say its my money they don't need thanks...i mean if 10$ is too much money to you.....why the hell are you playing, you should get a job

[CrystalWeapon]

Just curious on the whole "Saying thank you to SE is like saying thank you to a janitor for doing his job" arguement. Wouldn't all the complaint threads be akin to walking up to a janitor right after they finished cleaning a bathroom and saying "You missed a spot here, here, and there. I can't believe that after being on this job for so long you still put out work of this quality." Because the latter sounds more insulting than the former.

On a side note the argument this thread has mutated into is very entertaining.