About the complains..

[darkstarpoet1]

This is so horribly wrong. Where do you lenr this crap? I thank my janitor and SHE thanks me back for acknowledging her and making her life that much easier. Go learn.

no, you go learn. go to somewhere you don't work and don't know your janitor. go find some random guy that just got finished cleaning out the toilet and tell him he did a good job cleaning it. it's not meant to be rude at all, but if you don't know him and he doesn't know you it will be taken rude more often than not.

the best way to tell a waitress she did a good job is by giving her your money in a good tip. the best way to tell game developers they did a good job is to give your money to them in buying the game and monthly subs.

i do construction for a living. we get told all the time we do a good job, but do you know the first thing that usually gets said afterwards? "the best thing to do to show me thanks is helping my pocketbook"

[Matsume]

no, you go learn. go to somewhere you don't work and don't know your janitor. go find some random guy that just got finished cleaning out the toilet and tell him he did a good job cleaning it. it's not meant to be rude at all, but if you don't know him and he doesn't know you it will be taken rude more often than not.

the best way to tell a waitress she did a good job is by giving her your money in a good tip. the best way to tell game developers they did a good job is to give your money to them in buying the game and monthly subs.

i do construction for a living. we get told all the time we do a good job, but do you know the first thing that usually gets said afterwards? "the best thing to do to show me thanks is helping my pocketbook"

Why should you treat the waitress any different than a game developer? Why does a waitress deserve an hourly wage + tip but a game developer only an hourly wage? I know some waiters and waitresses that earn a better living than game developers.

What about the bellboy at the counter who just carried in your luggage? Why does he deserve a tip ontop of his hourly wage? Doesn't he get paid by the hotel owner to do that? Afterall it is his job, so why should you bother tipping him or even looking at him?

Your lame argument about the janitor who hates his life and his job so much that he would punch someone in the face for thanking them is just that: a stupid stereotype. It's like the guy who told his wife on the night they go out to dinner "you look great tonight" and she responds angrily "are you saying i don't look great otherwise?".

You attempt to make it seem that Janitors naturally loath their jobs and hate anyone and everyone who dares compliment them, but I doubt you have known a fraction of the janitors in the world yet you are content making gross generalizations on their behalf.

And so what if you work in construction? Are you attempting to be witty with your comment about helping out your pocketbook? I get it, you need money to live, but who doesn't? Every one in this god forsaken world needs money just as much as you do, but that doesn't give you the right to reject someones verbal acknowledgement of you.

Maybe next time your wife or girlfriend thanks you for doing something you should tell her that she could thank you by doing it herself next time, and see how far that gets you in life, JOE.

[syntaxlies]

Why should you treat the waitress any different than a game developer? Why does a waitress deserve an hourly wage + tip but a game developer only an hourly wage? I know some waiters and waitresses that earn a better living than game developers.

What about the bellboy at the counter who just carried in your luggage? Why does he deserve a top ontop of his hourly wage? Doesn't he get paid by the hotel owner to do that? Afterall it is his job, so why should you bother tipping him or even looking at him?

Your lame argument about the janitor who hates his life and his job so much that he would punch someone in the face for thanking them is just that: a stupid stereotype. It's like the guy who told his wife on the night they go out to dinner "you look great tonight" and she responds angrily "are you saying i don't look great otherwise?".

You attempt to make it seem that Janitors naturally loath their jobs and hate anyone and everyone who dares compliment them, but I doubt you have known a fraction of the janitors in the world yet you are content making gross generalizations on their behalf.

And so what if you work in construction? Are you attempting to be witty with your comment about helping out your pocketbook? I get it, you need money to live, but who doesn't? Every one in this god forsaken world needs money just as much as you do, but that doesn't give you the right to reject someones verbal acknowledgement of you.

Maybe next time your wife or girlfriend thanks you for doing something you should tell her that she could thank you by doing it herself next time, and see how far that gets you in life, JOE.

Because their minimum wage (at least in u.s.) is less. The government expects citizens to tip and calculates that into determining waitress's min wage.

were i live its 7.25 and waitress get 2.83 an hour

Have any of you heard of the tradition of leaving a Case of beer out for the trash collectors on Christmas day/eve?

that's so they take the big stuff they shouldn't or take bags not in trash cans and stuff like that. If you are not giving the trash men stuff you shouldn't then theres no reason to give them anything. When you put out a can with 200 pounds of bricks in it they can take it or leave it.

[Matsume]

Because their minimum wage (at least in u.s.) is less. The government expects citizens to tip and calculates that into determining waitress's min wage.

were i live its 7.25 and waitress get 2.83 an hour

Here in Paris France, waiters and waitresses can make 3,000 Euro a month full time 35hrs/week and that's WITHOUT tips.
That's almost 4 thousand dollars.

I'm also American so I know how it works in the states, and I am sorry to say that the mass consumption mentality of the united states has led to dumbed down stereotypes used by darkstarpoet.

Tell me this: why are the janitors and waitresses in America treeated so badly as compared to here in France? Why would you imagine a janitor in america hating his life so much tot he point of getting angry for being thanked, yet the janitors here in France smile, talk, and even sit down to drink a coffee with you?

Think about this. This is a HUGE cultural difference.

[darkstarpoet1]

Because their minimum wage (at least in u.s.) is less. The government expects citizens to tip and calculates that into determining waitress's min wage.

were i live its 7.25 and waitress get 2.83 an hour

this is my point. both are depending on the customers to pay their salary. if you don't pay a tip to the waitress she gets crap for a check. if you don't buy the game and pay the sub the developer doesn't have a job. the best way to thank both groups is with your wallet. if your waitress never brings you silverware nor comes to get your drinks you won't tip and have negative things to say. if your developer does a bad job more people leave negative responses and it hurts their bottom line.

the bottom line is your money is plenty of thanks for both because that is what they depend on to earn their living.

[Matsume]

that's so they take the big stuff they shouldn't or take bags not in trash cans and stuff like that. If you are not giving the trash men stuff you shouldn't then theres no reason to give them anything. When you put out a can with 200 pounds of bricks in it they can take it or leave it.

I was under the impression it was due to empathy. That sense of putting yourself in another persons shoes in order to understand how they feel. I don't think this is about bribing the trashman with beer to haul away abnormally large amounts of trash. It is more likely the fact that these people spend what is normally considered a religious holy day picking up everyone's trash instead of spending it with their family. No doubt it helps and might even make the experience enjoyable to come home with 20 cases of beer. People can be compassionate and considerate, this is why they leave out a case of bear.

But to say "my thank you comes in the form of the money i pay them" does not fit into this cenario. That would be equal to saying "screw the trash guys, they get paid with my tax dollar and that's thanks enough for their service" you could careless if it's christmas because maybe you aren't christian. But the odds are one of those trashmen is.

In a sense SE is the trashman of Eorzea. They might not exactly work on holidays, but i would not doubt that Yoshida does. The forums can be used in a sense to leave them bottles of beer, or tips - if you want to go with the waitress metaphor. Your thanks is the continous support you provide SE in the form of a monthly payment. But really all of this is for the players' enjoyment, isn't it?

It's nice to let the developers know they've done a good job when that's the case, just as much as you would let them know about a bug.

[syntaxlies]

I was under the impression it was due to empathy. That sense of putting yourself in another persons shoes in order to understand how they feel. I don't think this is about bribing the trashman with beer to haul away abnormally large amounts of trash. It is more likely the fact that these people spend what is normally considered a religious holy day picking up everyone's trash instead of spending it with their family. No doubt it helps and might even make the experience enjoyable to come home with 20 cases of beer. People can be compassionate and considerate, this is why they leave out a case of bear.

But to say "my thank you comes in the form of the money i pay them" does not fit into this cenario. That would be equal to saying "screw the trash guys, they get paid with my tax dollar and that's thanks enough for their service" you could careless if it's christmas because maybe you aren't christian. But the odds are one of those trashmen is.

In a sense SE is the trashman of Eorzea. They might not exactly work on holidays, but i would not doubt that Yoshida does. The forums can be used in a sense to leave them bottles of beer, or tips - if you want to go with the waitress metaphor. Your thanks is the continous support you provide SE in the form of a monthly payment. But really all of this is for the players' enjoyment, isn't it?

It's nice to let the developers know they've done a good job when that's the case, just as much as you would let them know about a bug.

empathy, lol, where i live trash men is a very desired job that pays a lot of money with no college degree and awesome benefits. If your putting beer out for them its so they do those favors for you through the year, not cause you feel sorry for them.

also here trash men have off all holidays, so you dont put the beer out on xmas, you put it out before or after, preferably after to help with all that extra trash you got.

[Matsume]

empathy, lol, where i live trash men is a very desired job that pays a lot of money with no college degree and awesome benefits. If your putting beer out for them its so they do those favors for you through the year, not cause you feel sorry for them.

also here trash men have off all holidays, so you dont put the beer out on xmas, you put it out before or after, preferably after to help with all that extra trash you got.

It's a two way street my friend, benefits for both parties, win win.

[darkstarpoet1]

empathy, lol, where i live trash men is a very desired job that pays a lot of money with no college degree and awesome benefits. If your putting beer out for them its so they do those favors for you through the year, not cause you feel sorry for them.

also here trash men have off all holidays, so you dont put the beer out on xmas, you put it out before or after, preferably after to help with all that extra trash you got.

that's exactly why it's done here. we put out beer for the trash man after they come back from their holiday break. they can only take 3 bags of trash and are not allowed to haul off the tree, but they do so for the people that leave the beer for them. they do not work during the holidays here either, but i can assure you they won't pick up your extra stuff if you don't leave them something in return.

the trash collectors make well above the average wage here. they may not be great pay, but it's not a bad check at all.