The state of healers is affecting everyone

[Tone19]

RIP Selene

[Mirajane_Takami]

i Have Stop playing due to specifically The Healer change , i Main ninja and even that got downgraded as well , but i built my SCH up more then my main cause i would love to que and help people,mainly cause it was a fun class that pushed me to use it more then my main class, cause you could actually have skill in your class not just one button clicks like NES games, i fear that things are just getting worse and worse each patch not just healer and soon it will just be like how dumbed down pvp is especially with how all skills are just one button clicks that change automatically by pressing the same button and walking around /palm face , you might as well just watch YouTube or Netflix if you plan to heal at all cause all that down time it honestly wouldn't matter to much if you looked away constantly and hardly pay attention.
Since the Healer change with Sch ive stopped playing altogether , the problem isnt just that they changed things is more that they removed all the fun out of the class and dumbed things down again for no reason. they will still get my money due to the time ive invested and houses im going to keep, they just need to back track witch i hope they do cause they need to do something and not just leave things how they are and focus on other classes while no one can que and just does Trusts, at that point you might as well make FF14 a single player game , i mean look how bad Bard is it changes with almost every patch (not just expansion ) remember when bard was a stand still spell caster? they dont know what to do anymore thats not bandage they can just apply like Echo.
The worst thing is time and wasting it on healer is not worth the investment anymore and it just slowly bleeds to the rest of the game and people just stop caring to play , its not like there are not other games / Mmos we can play , Final Fantasy is not going anywhere , just there healers or to other classes cause of Boring Game play.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

I loved miasama II because it was useful in AoE and single target situations. I can agree that it being the only spam aoe we had was dumb, which is why art of war should have been added on top of it, not outright replacing it, but in single target situations, AoW may as well not even be on your hotbar. Also having multiple dots with different timers, while not the most exciting thing in the world nor the most complex thing in the world, it was something to watch for and get better at. You also had a fairy back then that made an impact:, which was also something to watch for. Now fairy is so unresponsive and her healing so weak, she's only really good for 3 more aetherflow with dissipation, and outside of that, she's just there to look pretty, so I rarely bother placing her outside of like, 3 situations in Savage. (Not to mention what they did to poor Selene)

Nobody will ever convince me AoW spam is better than miasma ->bio -> shadow flare -> bane - > miasma II.

Followed by Broil over and over again until your dots wore off if no healing was needed. Be honest with yourself - it was just as mindless.

[Billythepancake]

Followed by Broil over and over again until your dots wore off if no healing was needed. Be honest with yourself - it was just as mindless.

If you want to dumb it down that far, sure, you could argue your main rotation was just put 2 dots and spam broil, but I argue it wasn't. You also had shadow flare to maintain, you had quickened aetherflow to keep up with, you had miasma II as your main weave and as something you had to consider if it was worth the giant MP risk, you had energy drain as another risk/reward (which thankfully they did give back, though I doubt it's here to stay, given SE track record.) You also had to do all of your fairy skills while doing all of these, not while weaving, while doing them,you had to multitask. All of them,small things on their own, but together are why scholar worked, and are all things I considered a part of its "rotation" or at the very least, it's gameplay loop/flow. All of those gone now along with miasma,leading SCH to feel much more hollow.

Again, all of that without mentioning the fact they took Selene away, or that they made your pet unresponsive, or her healing so pathetically weak you may as well not even have it, all of those things are what leads SCH to feel like crap. Is it strong and playable? Sure, but it's boring. And I don't understand your argument of "it was always boring, so what's there to complain about" like, why would you want it to STAY boring?

[Gaethan_Tessula]

The attempts to say healer DPS was always just as boring make me laugh. Every extra timer is something to juggle and pay attention to.

At this point they could remove the DoTs and I swear people would argue "you only pressed those once every 30s anyways! ThEy wERe JusT bUtToN BLoAt!"

It sometimes seems to me like Square's goal is to remove literally every aspect of job/kit based skill gap and any difficulty will solely come from mechanics. Every expansion sees yet more idiot proofing at the expense of skilled player engagement in non-cutting edge or minilvl content.

[Granyala]

Nah. You're definitely over exaggerating. I've noticed Tanks being in need far more often than Healers.

This, as a healer I almost never get the bonus. ._.

The attempts to say healer DPS was always just as boring make me laugh. Every extra timer is something to juggle and pay attention to.

While I definitely miss my second DoT, lets be honest here: pressing 3 instead of 1 every 15s does not make for an engaging DPS activity either.
Healer DPS always was rather braindead, with the exception of Scholar. He got all the fun toys in that department.

[Melichoir]

Or revert the Astro's changes. That seems to be what upsetted most healers. But shoot, I'm fine with exclusive healer things if it draws more. Kudos to those who choose to heal already so I wouldn't mind if they gave them extras.

If you have an issue with queuing into content because of healer wait time, then reverting astro changes (which will not likely happen) wont really address that. If it was an astro thing, then you should see better queue times, but get predominately WHM and SCH. Since its just finding any healer, the issue isnt with Astro changes.

Also, from a balance stand point, theyre all evening out. Possible little more tweaking for AST and SCH but overall theyre all about in line with one another. It's more likely youre seeing people not playing healer because of the perception that healer is bad, and threads like these dont actually help that. Before anyone gets on my case, Ive got a 77 SCH and have been having a good time with it thus far. And discussing healing with people doing Savage content, theyre not having issues either at this time. Tweaking might be nice for QoL, but the idea healers are in the dumpster I think is more a meme at this point than actual reality.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

While I definitely miss my second DoT, lets be honest here: pressing 3 instead of 1 every 15s does not make for an engaging DPS activity either.
Healer DPS always was rather braindead, with the exception of Scholar. He got all the fun toys in that department.

Two DoTs, a seperate weave/move DoT, an oGCD that was melee range, an oGCD AoE plus heal, and the nuke in HW was better than WHM has now even accounting afflatus skills.

If we had something that involved plus lillies I'd be happier. If we had that and an expansion to the lily system, I'd be ecstatic. Hell, just the more involved lily system as a reward for good play/downtime enhancer could be enough.

Every non healing GCD that isn't 1 button hero, the better.

EDIT: Every bit of additional responsibility, the better. Aggro management, gone. A bunch of support skills across all jobs, gone. Meaningful crowd control, essentially gone since ARR with the occasional cameo. I go back to some older MMO's (or old footage, since many of them are gone), and I see my character heal, DPS, CC, support buff/debuff, manage aggro, and handle coordination/positioning mechanics all in the same fight.

Sure, the mechanics were never as involved as in FF14, which is FF14's big draw, but there's only so far you can push "have people move and stand in the right places" as a metric of challenge. And that's not even getting into how braindead and devoid of engagement 95% of the content in this game is in the way most people play it (not min ilvl, unsync'ing old endgame content, every dungeon evoking the feel of FF13's "The Tube" etc.). When whether I put in 10% or 100% into a piece a content matters not to my success or failure, it makes me wonder "why am I even playing this?"

[Makeda]

I'm doing A trial not far after Ultima Weapon. Makes sense I guess most would be doing expansion things but still. An hour of having all slots filled except the 2 healers seems off. Even duty roulette should have found us 2 by now.

If you’re doing a specific trial queue times are going to be high even if you’re a healer. Especially if it’s not a current one or one of the first few that gets hit with constant sprouts.
It’s actually more surprising that the other slots filled for your group... But if you’re looking at duty finder status chances are they didn’t. You’re just seeing people put with you for a few seconds and then those people pop somewhere else the random duty prioritizes above yours.

[RyuDragnier]

Followed by Broil over and over again until your dots wore off if no healing was needed. Be honest with yourself - it was just as mindless.

Somebody else gets it. Our Single Target rotation has always been mindless. Put on DoTs, spam Ruin/Broil, use Energy Drain to drop excess stacks. Nothing has changed, but people are acting like it's the end of the world.