What job is the highest priority to fix?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

SAM. It hasn't been where it should be since they added it. Mostly cuz people keep saying that its "too good" just because they look at potencies and nothing else.

Its a selfish DPS only job that falls behind every other melee in terms of both raw dps and raid dps.

[Liam_Harper]

Its a selfish DPS only job that falls behind every other melee in terms of both raw dps and raid dps.

Not to mention the rotation is clunkier, where other classes had theirs smoothed out. Your rotation needs to be on a perfect loop with correct SkSp or your cd's start misaligning. If your Tsubame is a few seconds off after Midare, the next might not be up for a good few gcd's and you start losing uses. Shoha is useless, Hagakure is near-useless, Tsubama: Higanbana is useless.

[Katie_Kitty]

SAM. It hasn't been where it should be since they added it. Mostly cuz people keep saying that its "too good" just because they look at potencies and nothing else.

Its a selfish DPS only job that falls behind every other melee in terms of both raw dps and raid dps.

Disagree, and here's why: SAM is still stronger in terms of rDPS than every job but BLM, MNK, DRG, and arguably NIN. Just because it's not great in comparison to other melee doesn't mean it's so bad that it is priority #1. Melee has enough right now and ranged needs help the most especially jobs like MCH (a selfish job that is actually one of the weakest jobs in the game) and RDM

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Disagree, and here's why: SAM is still stronger in terms of rDPS than every job but BLM, MNK, DRG, and arguably NIN. Just because it's not great in comparison to other melee doesn't mean it's so bad that it is priority #1. Melee has enough right now and ranged needs help the most especially jobs like MCH (a selfish job that is actually one of the weakest jobs in the game) and RDM

No its not. The fact you think it is is hilarious.

Also you made my point again, it's at the bottom of melee when it should be at the top. Like blm is for casters and mch is (or should be) for ranged

It's behind monk, which has raid buffs, and drg, which also has raid buffs.

The only job SAM should be comparable to is blm. Everything else should be lower. Why? Because they have no raid buffs.

[Dogempire]

Machinist and Samurai need buffs for sure, even though they're both selfish jobs they're beaten by jobs with utility pretty easily

[Katie_Kitty]

No its not. The fact you think it is is hilarious.

Also you made my point again, it's at the bottom of melee when it should be at the top. Like blm is for casters and mch is (or should be) for ranged

It's behind monk, which has raid buffs, and drg, which also has raid buffs.

The only job SAM should be comparable to is blm. Everything else should be lower. Why? Because they have no raid buffs.

You don't seem to understand. "Bottom of the melee" is still "One of the best jobs in the game."

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

You don't seem to understand. "Bottom of the melee" is still "One of the best jobs in the game."

I don't think you understand how no support jobs are supposed to work. You know, lacking support they should be at the top.


Also, a job with no support should do the same rdps or more than a job with support. Not doing so is how we had drg/nin/brd meta for 4 years.

[Katie_Kitty]

I don't think you understand how no support jobs are supposed to work. You know, lacki g support they should be at the top.


Also, a job with no support should do the same rdps or more than a job with support. Not doing so is how we had drg/nin/brd meta for 4 years.

... Samurai DOES do more DPS than most of the jobs in the game. Just because it doesn't do more than MNK or DRG doesn't mean it is a higher priority than jobs that are actually truly awful like Bard, RDM, MCH. Hell, MCH alone is all I need to prove that SAM is not the top priority because MCH is a selfish DPS as well but their damage potential is just abysmal, far below that of SAM.

[RadicalPesto]

I don't think you understand how no support jobs are supposed to work. You know, lacking support they should be at the top.


Also, a job with no support should do the same rdps or more than a job with support. Not doing so is how we had drg/nin/brd meta for 4 years.

Samurai is the worst class by a very small margin among what is currently by far the most powerful and best balanced of all DPS sub-roles. Needing a couple hundred more rDPS when multiple jobs need over a thousand to be competitive means that, indeed, Samurai is not highest priority, because its nowhere close to being a detriment to its party in the way jobs like Red Mage and Dancer are.

If RDM gets a buff, people ask why they should play BLM (I compare mages now). If they nerf RDM, then nobody would want to play it. But these 10%~ difference is healthy and sound very reasonable. We Red Mages have so, so many tasty treats and perks (Dualcast is one of these underrated things...! Casting a full spell while running/being mobile!, many weapon skills that do not eat up mana, healing, ressurecting, gapclosers - remember, we are Mages!), and if they change anything, it will come with compensation nerfs. But why fixing something that works? If you want the big numbers only, how about you choosing Black Mage? Or whatever profession is supposedly better?

A 10% damage difference is actually so absurdly enormous as to render Red Mage a detriment to any party that brings one for any given content with a serious DPS check. None of Red Mage's perks actually add up to a whole lot in any of the content where class balance matters (Savage and Ultimate), because in practice, Dualcast and Enchanted Reprise are much worse forms of on demand mobility than the tools Black Mage has available for movement phases (Triplecast, Xenoglossy, Enhanced Sharpcast), Verraise requires multiple deaths to become useful utility (at which point, its very unlikely you will have enough DPS to not wipe to enrage), and melee skills not costing mana is meaningless when Black Mage is designed around having an unlimited amount of it.

This isn't a game where a 10% rDPS difference between two jobs in the same role can actually be justified, because it's a game that has been deliberately designed around strict DPS checks, with the current raid tier having harder DPS checks than practically any of the Omega raids did. For a Red Mage to bring damage comparable to a mediocre Black Mage, that Red Mage needs to be in the upper 10% of the best players in the world, and also likely requires a party that actually knows how to optimize their bursts around raid buffs such as Embolden. Red Mage simply speaking is not a good class and will not become one unless the gap between it and Black Mage is, at the least, reduced to half of what it currently is, which will also not actually do anything to invalidate Black Mage's existence, since nobody actually proposes that Red Mage be given the exact same DPS as Black Mage.

[Machi_Machiavelli]

SAM. It hasn't been where it should be since they added it. Mostly cuz people keep saying that its "too good" just because they look at potencies and nothing else.

Its a selfish DPS only job that falls behind every other melee in terms of both raw dps and raid dps.

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