4 person "trials" in leveling roulette?

[ICountFrom0]

In the MSQ, the first 3 times you encounter a primal, it's a 4 person dungeon, but it's really just a short trial. These end up in the leveling roulette, and every time I've encountered one there it's felt like I've been shorted.

It could be that they only seem to short me, I'll admit I've not sat down and run all the numbers, I am going from my gut feeling here. Leveling roulette tends to give 1.5 levels, if a "trial" happens instead, I get about half of that. Even if this isn't true, even if it just feels like less, enough people feel this way that some resent ending up there, and some of those will take it out on the sprouts. This is bad.

I think I get it, if these where not in a major roulette then the new players who are trying to pass the game won't get the help needed to pass these very important first "trials". I ask though, is leveling the right place for them?

What if they where moved into the MSQ Roulette? Yes you'd have to lock the cutscenes to be fair about things. You'd have a constant flow of people who have been well and properly bribed in order to help. They'd be getting those rather large rewards for less work and time.

I only see two problems.


This would put 4 person and 8 person options into the same que. This is not unique, the mentor roulette can put you into any dungeon in the game, so it has this same issue, but can be solved however it was solved for that.

The second trouble is that the awards might be too good if not changed. If they are changed too far it might be hard for MSQ Roulette to serve it's purpose to make sure that people get through that cutscene embedded nightmare.

I fully intend to suggest this the next time we can do a question submission, but I want as much feedback as possible about it. I want it to be clear that we've looked at it in every possible way.

[Raldo]

These end up in the leveling roulette, and every time I've encountered one there it's felt like I've been shorted.

You're going to feel this even harder if you bundle it into the MSQ roulette.

It's fine as-is, in my opinion.

[Zeich]

I miss the days leveling roulette gave 1.5 levels... in the 70s, it's more like 1/3 - 1/2 of a level. XD

That being said, I'd have to run the numbers as well - I believe, however, that you're right in that it's less, since (if I'm remembering correctly) normally the bonus scales with difference between your level and the instance you get, and I'm not sure if it accounts for EXP from trash packs. I don't think it's a gigantic difference, however, so it's really not a slap in the face. For me, it's more of a relief - quick, in and out, and because of the level difference, big bonus.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

In my experience, most of us love getting a quick 4 man trial in leveling roulette.

[BloodRubyXII]

4-man trials on levelling roulette are lit. You have to remember how much shorter it is.

With that said, I wouldn't disagree with MSQ trials coming off the levelling roulette and being added to MSQ roulette instead, which would obviously leave the Trials roulette with additional unlockables.

[Arthrun]

a good chunk of the EXP you would normally gain would be from trash packs. The feeling of disparity is there because you do not even bother with trash packs even though the duty completion result reward is the same. I think Mathematically I think its the same if you ran the mini trials over and over again in the same span of a single dungeon. queue times not withstanding.

[Reinfeld]

I miss the days leveling roulette gave 1.5 levels... in the 70s, it's more like 1/3 - 1/2 of a level. XD

That being said, I'd have to run the numbers as well - I believe, however, that you're right in that it's less, since (if I'm remembering correctly) normally the bonus scales with difference between your level and the instance you get, and I'm not sure if it accounts for EXP from trash packs. I don't think it's a gigantic difference, however, so it's really not a slap in the face. For me, it's more of a relief - quick, in and out, and because of the level difference, big bonus.

The difference in bonus exp is designed to account for exp gained through enemies kills. Your level 70 monk will get a considerably larger bonus chunk at the end for clearing Satasha rather than, say, Bardams Mettle.

[Rocond]

I think the best place for these trials would be the trial roulette.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I just wish they counted as dungeons for the Challenge Log. It's annoying to be on my last one for the week, looking forward to that boost, and then get Baby Ifrit and have to do another dungeon for the Log entry.

[Bright-Flower]

When I get it I think 'oh sweet, quick roulette bonus.' And then I queue for something else if I need more exp.

It makes the most sense in leveling roulette.

They are leveling msq duties just like the dungeons that make up the bulk of it.

They're 4 player so throwing them into trial or msq roulette would complicate the matchmaking there. Plus, you can't throw them into msq roulette and have 1 minute trials mixed in with 40 minute cutscene fests.

While they stand out, it's really the best place to be putting them.