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    Burmecia's Avatar
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    Jitah'li Habhoka
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    I prefer speedy dungeon clears, so I pull big as it seems like working solution.
    But I cannot understand indivisuals who try to force wall-to-wall pulls happen.
    Even when the dps is low, or healer is inexperienced and cannot keep the tank up (let alone contribute to dps), and/or tank is insecure and cannot use his cds properly.
    Pulling "too much" and wiping takes more time than taking it "just" 2, or god knows just 1, pack/s at the time.
    It isn't so horrible that we are not all the same.
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    Kaplan Zereort
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burmecia View Post
    I prefer speedy dungeon clears, so I pull big as it seems like working solution.
    But I cannot understand indivisuals who try to force wall-to-wall pulls happen.
    Even when the dps is low, or healer is inexperienced and cannot keep the tank up (let alone contribute to dps), and/or tank is insecure and cannot use his cds properly.
    Pulling "too much" and wiping takes more time than taking it "just" 2, or god knows just 1, pack/s at the time.
    It isn't so horrible that we are not all the same.
    That happened to me once, during my first attempt at clearing the Arboretum. I landed with a premade who wanted to do it all at once, with the healer being particularly annoying/nasty. We got to the first destructible barrier (or rather they got there without me) where the healer promptly mentioned "we don't have to fight those!" referring to the mobs he'd ignored. Annoyed, I told him to shut it and promptly ate a kick. I still have yet to clear that dungeon.
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    Paljero Nono
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfsbane706 View Post
    Does anybody actually have a problem with tanks that take it slow or is it just all in my head? Speaking as a slow-running tank, I just prefer to take it one battle at a time as opposed to rushing it all. It's different but I'd like to think I'm not actually doing anything wrong.
    Yes anybody has a problem with slow tanks, thank you for asking.
    You wouldn't even be doing anything differently between pulling one pack of 3 mobs and 3+ packs for 10+ mobs, since 3 is most generally the threshold where AOE rotation surpasses ST rotation. You could be doing that to every mob, or just one third of the mobs the game allows you to pull in an average corridoor, taking three times the time.
    Are you also making sure that every dps class loses their stacks and buffs from the previous trash pack before pulling the boss so they can start from 0?
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    Lhei Amariyo
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    I don't mind slow pulling if there is a proper reason for it. But if the group has no skill or gear issues, it can be pretty boring and needlesly slow. Which leads to frustration, which fosters anger, which leads to the dark side.
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    Chloe Lehideux
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    Why play with a tank that is not any better than trust tank?
    I tank single pulling deserve a kick.
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    Elainna Michaella
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    I think it's best to just ask your healer. Some tanks will pull wall to wall on the first trash pack, but then if the group wipes, the healer will sometimes get nervous, and I feel like wiping everyone wastes more time than just pulling a little less, ya know?

    The people here saying start slow and gradually ramp up are my kind of people.
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    Maetimoht Berkbraena
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    As someone else has stated, if I play healer and the tank doesn't try to pull more then one group, then it's just incredibly boring to me. I can survive, but whew. I know it's possible to pull pretty much every dungeon wall to wall, with maybe one or two as an exception, but it's a matter of knowledge, skill (to use cooldowns), and comfort.
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    Mike Arklight
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    yes ,slow pulls are boring but i think most of the healer community wont be angry at you just annoyed a bit that its slow depending on how their day went ^^.
    as for big pulls,if you or the healer cant handle big pulls then go slower usually the rage come from tanks who keep doing wall to wall pulls when its clear either them or healer can't really keep up.(tank takes too much damage too fast for the healer to keep up)

    as for my mentality i always think slow pulls is because tanks don't trust their healers so i try and make the tank feel safe with taking bigger groups but i still respect the slow pull nonetheless.
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    Kyrion Exile
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    So, brief tangent: people keep on mentioning big pulls or wall-to-wall pulls, and the only big pull I can think of is the first area in Akademia where you can pick up 4 mobs. Every other big pull is just a double mob pack before you run into a gate.

    Did I miss something, are there spots where you can pull more than two mobs at a time?
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    Jitah'li Habhoka
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talam View Post
    So, brief tangent: people keep on mentioning big pulls or wall-to-wall pulls, and the only big pull I can think of is the first area in Akademia where you can pick up 4 mobs. Every other big pull is just a double mob pack before you run into a gate.

    Did I miss something, are there spots where you can pull more than two mobs at a time?
    Don't think the point here is "pff, you can only call 3+ pack pulls as Big Pulls". What people mean by big pulls, I think, is simply "everything between gates on the way". As in "as big as you can pull".
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