Monk Role needs Changes

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

I don’t think BLM is in dire need of any fixes, just that we from an objective perspective is in more of a need of one and in a worse spot than MNKs, which you claim to have gotten the short end of the stick. I picked BLM as it is a class that is universally pleased this expansion and is pretty up there in terms of DPS to highlight just How good of a spot MNKs actually are in now.

Here is the thing though, there are jobs that literally could not meet the DPS requirement for Savage during those early weeks even if piloted relatively well, and you sit here saying that MNKs, the literally top DPS of the game right now, got the short end of the stick.

If you actually paid attention, i litterally said i know the have high dps but that doesnt mean their skills are good. They have the same core rotation sense arr everything after that, 3 expansions have been poorly executed. At least blm rotation was expanded and evolved and yall got a good number of usable attack skills. Monks got like another commenter said "maybe 1 good skill each expansion".

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

If you actually paid attention, i litterally said i know the have high dps but that doesnt mean their skills are good. They have the same core rotation sense arr everything after that, 3 expansions have been poorly executed. At least blm rotation was expanded and evolved and yall got a good number of usable attack skills. Monks got like another commenter said "maybe 1 good skill each expansion".

And heres the thing, im all for fixing anything wrong with blm. The idea is to get the top classes corrected i.e. blm, monk, whm... and then bring the others up.

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

And heres the thing, im all for fixing anything wrong with blm. The idea is to get the top classes corrected i.e. blm, monk, whm... and then bring the others up.

Once you know where the top is, that makes it easier to line up everything else

[Metalwrath]

And heres the thing, im all for fixing anything wrong with blm. The idea is to get the top classes corrected i.e. blm, monk, whm... and then bring the others up.

The thing is considering how fast and how easily people have cleared this expansions savage is an indicator that some dps classes are too strong.not just monk.So they need to be toned down before buffing the other jobs or current content will become too easy.
Also you need to realise that your other post about suggesting all the new skills etc and working on lore will never happen.
Any suggestions to fix monk need to be based off its current skills because its the easiest way for the devs to work from and likely the path that they will choose.
This will also likely involve copying parts of other jobs which they are already done as it takes less resources to fix jobs this way.

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

The thing is considering how fast and how easily people have cleared this expansions savage is an indicator that some dps classes are too strong.not just monk.So they need to be toned down before buffing the other jobs or current content will become too easy.
Also you need to realise that your other post about suggesting all the new skills etc and working on lore will never happen.
Any suggestions to fix monk need to be based off its current skills because its the easiest way for the devs to work from and likely the path that they will choose.
This will also likely involve copying parts of other jobs which they are already done as it takes less resources to fix jobs this way.

First off, what i discribed does use plenty of whats alread or had been available before.

Plus, any "fixes" thet would do will not work, all they do is slap a band aid on It and say there u go, be happy. Does that sound like something appealing to you?

Next, telling me that its unreasonable is completly contrary to this post. I dont care how difficult it is, its a post of what i believe will put the monk back on the right path. Not, omg how can i buff it to obsurd lvls for no reason. Its not a post about other classes. Its a discussion opener for the monk. A topic to centralize a discussion on ways to change the monk to better fit its lore and role. Anything against this is irrelevant, and has nothing to do with this post.

[Lunavi]

If you actually paid attention, i litterally said i know the have high dps but that doesnt mean their skills are good. They have the same core rotation sense arr everything after that, 3 expansions have been poorly executed. At least blm rotation was expanded and evolved and yall got a good number of usable attack skills. Monks got like another commenter said "maybe 1 good skill each expansion".

Once again, I said we do NOT need any fixes, just that we need them more than MNKs, which DO NOT NEED ANY CHANGES EITHER in my opinion. At least not over classes such as Dancer that are in an extremely extremely poor spot right now. My problem is and remain that you think you as MNK get the short end of the stick when you are currently the best in the game. If your skills were bad you wouldn't be top DPS. It might just be that you do not ENJOY MNK right now, and I can't take that away from you, but from an objective standpoint, MNKs are in a fantastic place right now. The best place they might actually have ever been. But there is a difference between YOU enjoying MNK and MNK having received the short end of the stick and severely needs fixing over jobs that barely gets into end game content.

[Deithwen]

Once again, I said we do NOT need any fixes, just that we need them more than MNKs, which DO NOT NEED ANY CHANGES EITHER in my opinion. At least not over classes such as Dancer that are in an extremely extremely poor spot right now. My problem is and remain that you think you as MNK get the short end of the stick when you are currently the best in the game. If your skills were bad you wouldn't be top DPS. It might just be that you do not ENJOY MNK right now, and I can't take that away from you, but from an objective standpoint, MNKs are in a fantastic place right now. The best place they might actually have ever been. But there is a difference between YOU enjoying MNK and MNK having received the short end of the stick and severely needs fixing over jobs that barely gets into end game content.

Dancer needs potency fixes, Monk needs a complete rework because the job is filled with contradictory design. Just looking at DPS is narrow minded.

[Sonya_Nillefrant]

Once again, I said we do NOT need any fixes, just that we need them more than MNKs, which DO NOT NEED ANY CHANGES EITHER in my opinion. At least not over classes such as Dancer that are in an extremely extremely poor spot right now. My problem is and remain that you think you as MNK get the short end of the stick when you are currently the best in the game. If your skills were bad you wouldn't be top DPS. It might just be that you do not ENJOY MNK right now, and I can't take that away from you, but from an objective standpoint, MNKs are in a fantastic place right now. The best place they might actually have ever been. But there is a difference between YOU enjoying MNK and MNK having received the short end of the stick and severely needs fixing over jobs that barely gets into end game content.

IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE POST, this is the EXACT topic. It is not enjoyable. Its boring to just stand still 75% of the time ignoring my mechanics, its boring to know that in 3 expansions ive basically got 3 or so skills that are actually usable and dont disrupt the origional design. Its humorously bad that 1 QoL buff completely x'ed my anatman and six sided star. It sucks that because of the removal of skills this expansion, i lost my opener, and made tornado kick obsolete and incredably situational. If u believe blm is in a worse situation, then u are completely closed to any kind of debate and are wasting the rest of the people's time here.

[Lunavi]

IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE POST, this is the EXACT topic. It is not enjoyable. Its boring to just stand still 75% of the time ignoring my mechanics, its boring to know that in 3 expansions ive basically got 3 or so skills that are actually usable and dont disrupt the origional design. Its humorously bad that 1 QoL buff completely x'ed my anatman and six sided star. It sucks that because of the removal of skills this expansion, i lost my opener, and made tornado kick obsolete and incredably situational. If u believe blm is in a worse situation, then u are completely closed to any kind of debate and are wasting the rest of the people's time here.

And if you read anything I have said I have said that while MNK is from your subjective opinion boring, other jobs are from an objective standpoint so bad that many people do not even want to see them in endgame as during the early weeks they could not even reach the DPS checks, and despite that you still think MNK has gotten the short end of the stick despite being an actually working job, and being best in class, and yes, even better than BLM. Just take a look at FFLogs and you will quickly see that MNKs are in a VERY favored position right now, despite what your subjective opinion on how "fun" the job is to play is.

So what do you thing SE should focus their limited time and resources for balancing on, changing MNK to your subjective opinion of what fun is, or fix jobs that are objectively on the bottom of the barrel so that they can actually reach the DPS checks at the same period of time as other jobs? I know what I think they should spend their time on.

But yes, to add, when it comes to expansion time, I feel like they could indeed try to focus on giving MNKs some new interesting things like all other jobs, I will NOT be opposed to that, but right here, right now, in the middle of an expansion cycle, there are fare direr things to look after.

Monk does need fixes though.The job is currently very broken.It does way too much dps.So while it may not need an immediate change to making it actually fun to play again it does need a heavy nerf.
Saying its in a good place is wrong.A good place would mean its strong but balanced.This is 100% not the case.The job is way too strong in the hands of competant players.It kept geting buffed to draw bad players to the job which has resulted in the job being way overtuned.

I actually mentioned this earlier in this thread

There are far graver things that needs to be fixed than MNK right now in terms of class rebalancing, unless said rebalance is a direct nerf of MNKs.

so I totally agree with this statement. However, some jobs are so bad they can not reach the DPS checks of endgame content upon release, that is where I personally feel attention foremost needs to be directed as those jobs are clearly very much undertuned for where they need to be.

[Metalwrath]

Once again, I said we do NOT need any fixes, just that we need them more than MNKs, which DO NOT NEED ANY CHANGES EITHER in my opinion. At least not over classes such as Dancer that are in an extremely extremely poor spot right now. My problem is and remain that you think you as MNK get the short end of the stick when you are currently the best in the game. If your skills were bad you wouldn't be top DPS. It might just be that you do not ENJOY MNK right now, and I can't take that away from you, but from an objective standpoint, MNKs are in a fantastic place right now. The best place they might actually have ever been. But there is a difference between YOU enjoying MNK and MNK having received the short end of the stick and severely needs fixing over jobs that barely gets into end game content.

Monk does need fixes though.The job is currently very broken.It does way too much dps.So while it may not need an immediate change to making it actually fun to play again it does need a heavy nerf.
Saying its in a good place is wrong.A good place would mean its strong but balanced.This is 100% not the case.The job is way too strong in the hands of competant players.It kept geting buffed to draw bad players to the job which has resulted in the job being way overtuned.